For Opera Users.

[Ysgarran]

A david vs. goliath story...

http://www.computerworld.com/developmenttopics/websitemgmt/story/0,10801,78557,00.html?nas=PM-78557

later,
Ysgarran.

 

[Psionicist]

Mah, Opera used to be good, now they use their own standards just like IE and Netscape.

Pheonix is what the cool kids use: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/phoenix-release-notes.html

 

[Krug]

Mah, Opera used to be good, now they use their own standards just like IE and Netscape.

Pheonix is what the cool kids use: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/phoenix-release-notes.html

Opera is still cool. I hope they continue the good fight and not come out with crappy products like Netscape did.

Unfortuantely, Opera seems to stall on forums like Enworld... Maybe that'll be fixed in the latest version.

 

[Davin]

Unfortuantely, Opera seems to stall on forums like Enworld... Maybe that'll be fixed in the latest version.

Unfortunately, you just poked me in one of my sore spots, so I'll have to say something...

The reason that most (fancy) web sites don't run well on non-IE browsers isn't that the browser doesn't work. From everything I've been able to find out, it's solely because Microsoft wrote parts of their server software to intentionally crash (well, not function on) any non-IE browsers that talk to it. Since an absolutely huge number of web servers out there use MS's software, that forces all the users of all those sites to use IE exclusively.

Is it any wonder why IE has 98%+ (and growing!) of the browser market?

 

[Rodrigo Istalindir]

I've used Opera since version 5, and had no problems accessing pretty much any site. One of the nicer features is the ability to change how Opera responds when a website asks what browser it is. If you have trouble with a particular site, try having Opera pretend to be Mozilla or IE (Opera 7 can emulate IE6 or Mozilla 5).

I've even seen a number of sites that require personal information or registration let Opera access the site unmolested, since whoever programmed the pages only bothered to check for Netscape and IE!

 

[hong]

The reason that most (fancy) web sites don't run well on non-IE browsers isn't that the browser doesn't work. From everything I've been able to find out, it's solely because Microsoft wrote parts of their server software to intentionally crash (well, not function on) any non-IE browsers that talk to it. Since an absolutely huge number of web servers out there use MS's software, that forces all the users of all those sites to use IE exclusively.

Dear Davin,

If the greys are talking to you again, I recommend changing the tinfoil hat at more regular intervals. You can trust me on this, because I always check my facts before posting nonsense to UNsegroups.


Hong "this mind-control ray will self-destruct in ten seconds" Ooi

 

[Rodrigo Istalindir]

The reason that most (fancy) web sites don't run well on non-IE browsers isn't that the browser doesn't work. From everything I've been able to find out, it's solely because Microsoft wrote parts of their server software to intentionally crash (well, not function on) any non-IE browsers that talk to it. Since an absolutely huge number of web servers out there use MS's software, that forces all the users of all those sites to use IE exclusively.

Most of the problems with web sites not displaying properly on non-IE browsers has more to do with poor adherence with the published standards by the web development tools and lazy webmasters who can't be bothered to test using something other than IE. And IE's market share is a result of it being pre-installed on 99% of the PCs sold.

 

[Breakdaddy]

Im reading and replying to this thread on opera 7.01, and it works fine on ENWorld.

 

[Davin]

If you guys say so, then who am I to argue? But I've had lots of bad experiences that didn't seem to be explainable in those ways.

 

[Hollywood]

Completely childish on Opera Software ASA's part.

david vs. goliath story...

The reason that most (fancy) web sites don't run well on non-IE browsers isn't that the browser doesn't work. From everything I've been able to find out, it's solely because Microsoft wrote parts of their server software to intentionally crash (well, not function on) any non-IE browsers that talk to it. Since an absolutely huge number of web servers out there use MS's software, that forces all the users of all those sites to use IE exclusively.

Keep doing some more research, because this is nothing but a load of garbage.

Microsoft, like every other major browser, has "extensions" to the HTML-spec to expand the capability of the HTML. These extensions, which range from extra events to new methods, etc., are ignored by other browsers which don't recognize them. If the page crashes the browser, then its the fault of the browser for not handling the situation with aplomb when unknown HTML tags, methods or events are used.

Is it any wonder why IE has 98%+ (and growing!) of the browser market?

No, its because the vast majority of all consumer PCs are Windows based machines which ALL have IE installed on them. And most folks aren't savy enough to really go and get a new browser. Or choose not to. Now this should change a bit as more of the AOLers upgrade to the newest AOL since AOL now should be using the Gecko engine for its HTML display.