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Message: <blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 8562027" data-attributes="member: 6877472">As an example of criminals and alignment, I offer up the movie Payback.  In the movie, Porter is a career criminal.  He lies, cheats, steals, and cons people regularly in order to get what he wants.  But at his core, he is defined by a strict personal code.  When slighted, he will go to Hell and back to get exactly what he feels he is owed, no more, no less.His rival, Val Resnick, on the other hand, belongs to an organized crime organization with very strict rules.  Rules that are to be followed to the letter.  Val, however, is a sadist and a bully, and will do anything to save his own neck and further his own goals.We can say Porter is Lawful and Val is Chaotic, and there are merits to these arguments.  But a person is more than just their alignment.  Alignment is not absolute, alignment is not an inviolate code.  As it applies to an individual, it is only an indication of what they will likely do, not what they will do.  You can say you're whatever alignment you want, but only through observation of your actions can we attempt to describe your (probable) alignment.This is why these debates can never have a definitive solution, because alignment is highly subjective.</blockquote>