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<blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8562198" data-attributes="member: 84112">and again.&nbsp; I am reminded of many characters on many shows, but one is a TV comedy (with alot of philosophy) were a very GOOD person who teaches philosophy constantly reminds everyone he doesn't lie because his own philosophy is against it... the show is the Good Place, and I would 100% recommend it. Every few episodes you know what happens... that character is put into a spot where he has to be deceitful if not out right lie OR break OTHER tenets of his personal philosophy.&nbsp;&nbsp; A running theme is him having an internal struggle over this ideal or that ideal.&nbsp; &nbsp; I would not take a character like that and assume that when the DM (well the writer in that case) puts the character in a position to weight 1 ideal vs another ideal, it should not be held against them that they choose one over the other. Example: I want to save those 10 children's lives. I have no weapon and no ability even when fully equipped to kill all of the evil slaver demons holding them... but one comes up and says 'are you here to take the kids to the slave pit'&nbsp;&nbsp; do I lie and say yes, take the 10 captured kids using deception, or do I tell the truth and either A die or B fail to save them,..,. no one not another PC not the DM better say I am wrong no matter what I am aligned or breaking an oath or changing my alignment... I choose a or b both are bad... now if You don't put the character in said spots..</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HammerMan, post: 8562198, member: 84112"] and again. I am reminded of many characters on many shows, but one is a TV comedy (with alot of philosophy) were a very GOOD person who teaches philosophy constantly reminds everyone he doesn't lie because his own philosophy is against it... the show is the Good Place, and I would 100% recommend it. Every few episodes you know what happens... that character is put into a spot where he has to be deceitful if not out right lie OR break OTHER tenets of his personal philosophy. A running theme is him having an internal struggle over this ideal or that ideal. I would not take a character like that and assume that when the DM (well the writer in that case) puts the character in a position to weight 1 ideal vs another ideal, it should not be held against them that they choose one over the other. Example: I want to save those 10 children's lives. I have no weapon and no ability even when fully equipped to kill all of the evil slaver demons holding them... but one comes up and says 'are you here to take the kids to the slave pit' do I lie and say yes, take the 10 captured kids using deception, or do I tell the truth and either A die or B fail to save them,..,. no one not another PC not the DM better say I am wrong no matter what I am aligned or breaking an oath or changing my alignment... I choose a or b both are bad... now if You don't put the character in said spots.. [/QUOTE]

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