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For those that find Alignment useful, what does "Lawful" mean to you
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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8562685" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>Again, I disagree. That exact situation is the law revealing that it is flawed and needs to be changed. That's the whole <em>point</em> of reviewing your laws to make sure they're still effective. You <em>know</em> your laws will be imperfect, so you must continuously vet them.</p><p></p><p>A law that directs you away from Good is a bad law (here and elsewhere assume an appended "from the perspective of an LG person.") It may be only bad in a very small way, or in an unlikely circumstance, or in a focus that could not have been foreseen, or due to an unexpected intersection with some other law. But as soon as the law directs you away from Good, it is a bad law, and needs to be changed. This is quite literally how Common Law works: the courts exist both to confirm the actual state of affairs so that correct judgment can be rendered, <em>and</em> as the final review on laws so that missteps or errors can be corrected. (This is, incidentally, part of why I find the "civil law" system both baffling and deeply concerning; the whole doctrine of "parliamentary sovereignty" is very worrisome specifically <em>because</em> it makes the review of laws so much more difficult.) Judicial review is absolutely one of the most Lawful procedures around, full of the gravitas and patience I previously described, and yet its specific purpose is to determine whether or not laws actually conform with orders and principles <em>higher</em> than the law itself (for the US, the Bill of Rights, which enshrines numerous freedoms as supreme to <em>any</em> law, be it local, state, or federal.)</p><p></p><p>Edit: Further, this provides an excellent opportunity to show why I get so frustrated with alignment.</p><p></p><p>What is the Chaotic equivalent of "the law is imperfect and might direct you away from Good"? I have never actually found anyone who could articulate a clear example of "things Chaotic people can't do and still be Chaotic," whereas you can absolutely give examples for all three other alignment poles (Lawful, Good, and Evil). It's why I so consistently refer to Chaotic as a garbage non-alignment as written, since it cashes out as "anything goes," a completely useless metric indistinguishable from Neutrality, or even indistinguishable from <em>Lawful</em> under the right circumstances.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 8562685, member: 6790260"] Again, I disagree. That exact situation is the law revealing that it is flawed and needs to be changed. That's the whole [I]point[/I] of reviewing your laws to make sure they're still effective. You [I]know[/I] your laws will be imperfect, so you must continuously vet them. A law that directs you away from Good is a bad law (here and elsewhere assume an appended "from the perspective of an LG person.") It may be only bad in a very small way, or in an unlikely circumstance, or in a focus that could not have been foreseen, or due to an unexpected intersection with some other law. But as soon as the law directs you away from Good, it is a bad law, and needs to be changed. This is quite literally how Common Law works: the courts exist both to confirm the actual state of affairs so that correct judgment can be rendered, [I]and[/I] as the final review on laws so that missteps or errors can be corrected. (This is, incidentally, part of why I find the "civil law" system both baffling and deeply concerning; the whole doctrine of "parliamentary sovereignty" is very worrisome specifically [I]because[/I] it makes the review of laws so much more difficult.) Judicial review is absolutely one of the most Lawful procedures around, full of the gravitas and patience I previously described, and yet its specific purpose is to determine whether or not laws actually conform with orders and principles [I]higher[/I] than the law itself (for the US, the Bill of Rights, which enshrines numerous freedoms as supreme to [I]any[/I] law, be it local, state, or federal.) Edit: Further, this provides an excellent opportunity to show why I get so frustrated with alignment. What is the Chaotic equivalent of "the law is imperfect and might direct you away from Good"? I have never actually found anyone who could articulate a clear example of "things Chaotic people can't do and still be Chaotic," whereas you can absolutely give examples for all three other alignment poles (Lawful, Good, and Evil). It's why I so consistently refer to Chaotic as a garbage non-alignment as written, since it cashes out as "anything goes," a completely useless metric indistinguishable from Neutrality, or even indistinguishable from [I]Lawful[/I] under the right circumstances. [/QUOTE]
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