[Forgotten Realms] Info on Dwarven Kingdom Under Lost Peaks?

dreaded_beast

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Can anyone tell me if there is info, canon or otherwise, about the dwarven kingdom/hold that is beneath the Lost Peaks in the High Forest?
 

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EricNoah

Adventurer
Well, let's see... from "Dwarves Deep" (1990), we know about...

Besilmer, a realm whose name and history is forgotten by most dwarves, though two of its works remain as landmarks known throughout the Sword Coast: the Stone Bridge, and the Halls of the Hunting Axe. In the same entry, the Hall of Four Ghosts is described. This is a bit west and south of where you're looking; the entry says that the realm was founded in the "fertile Dessarin valley" though that could be anywhere along the relatively great length of that river. These dwarves attempted to break into a relatively new area of work, above-ground agriculture, but their kingdom was poorly defended and when their ruler was slain in single combat, these dwarves were driven south to join the doomed Fallen Kingdom.

My FR Atlas CD-ROM notes the following locations on or around the Lost Peaks -- maybe these names will help you in your research:

Fountains of Memory (on the westernmost peak from what I can see)
Morndinvuddrrin (this looks like the right location for "a long-forgotten dwarfhold [that] lies under the easternmost of the Lost Peaks" as mentioned in Silver Marchs on p. 28.)
Dancing Falls (where the river comes out of the mountains, it looks to me)

Downriver just a bit, on the edge of the forest is Noanar's Hold (Silver Marches p. 29).
 

EricNoah

Adventurer
Oh, yeah, and you might want to download The North (free PDF file): http://www.wizards.com/forgottenrealms/thenorth.asp

Lost Peaks
These two small mountains in the northwestern wood are the source of the River Dessarin, as well as home to Korred and satyrs on the lower slopes and in the woods. Rumors and legends place the Fountains of Memory here, on high plateaus and in small caves near the zenith of one of the Lost Peaks. The Fountains are magical pools that reflect views of Faerûn’s past, whether it is the recent past, long-past history, or a personal past of the viewer. The waters also allegedly form gates that allow instantaneous travel to the places viewed, however it is unclear whether the exact time periods viewed can be reached rather than just the place. Some legends link the Fountains to the powers of Tappan, the dancing god of the korred, but his magical Fountains are said to be in a peaceful glade rather than a mountain plateau or cave.

Within the slopes of the easternmost Lost Peak, a longdead dwarven hold lies undisturbed as it has for 12 centuries. Should anyone discover its entrance, they discover a dwarven mining facility still filled with the forms of dwarves. Mysteriously, the entire place is dead as are its inhabitants, but some fell magics hold every dwarf upright and in place performing the action the corpse was doing when it died. Whatever destroyed this place killed everyone unawares and instantly, as most of the skeletal dwarves work at mining or smelting at dusty, long-dead forges or pounding out metal for weapons. It is truly eerie to walk through the halls, finding dwarven skeletal forms still hard at work long after death.
 
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dreaded_beast

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Thanks for the site Derulbaskul! I like it!

On another note, anyone know if the Dwarven Kingdom of Besilmer existed during the time of the Elven Kingdom of Earlann (sp?) (The kingdom that had the citadel that became Hellgate Keep).

I'm trying to come up with a storyline where a Sun Elf clan from this period and in this area, was on good terms with another dwarven clan, and worked together to create a "moonblade". The "moonblade" was completed, but before the exchange could be made, calamity fell upon both nations. (The rise of Hellgate Keep, the Fey'ri, etc.)
 

EricNoah

Adventurer
Hmmmm....

DR -372 -- Ascalhorn founded by the elves of Eaerlann
DR 523 -- Realm of Phalorm, also called Realm of Three Crowns, and later known to history as the Fallen Kingdom, is established
DR 615 -- Phalorm suffers its legendary fall
DR 882 -- Ascalhorn becomes Hellgate Keep

So, if Besilmer fell apart when their king (Torhild Flametongue) was slain and joined the Fallen Kingdom before it fell, that means Besilmer fell sometime between DR 523 and 615. Besilmer lasted one dwarf's lifetime at most.
 

dreaded_beast

First Post
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction guys.

I was able to get access to "Dwarves Deep", so I did a quick persual and found just what I was looking for: the dwarven kingdom of Ammarindar.

This timeline is taken from http://www.o-love.net/realms. According to them, their timeline is from canon material.

DR 880 - First demons summoned at Ascalhorn
DR 882 - Ammarindar overan by humanoids and fiends from Hellgate Keep
DR 1221 - Tunnels dug from Hellgate Keep to abandoned Ammarindar kingdom
DR 1369 - Hellgate Keep falls / Fey'ri released (Races of Faerun)
DR 1372 - Campaign starts

Ammarindar, a weak dwavern nation centered in the Greypeak Mountains fell when Hellgate Keep was created. Ammarindar was known for creating Everbright Admantite armor. The border of the nation was once along the tree edge of the High Forest, which was Eaerlann during this time.

Here is the rough idea I have come up with:

Around DR 880, a small dwarven hold existed within the High Forest, between the Lost Peaks by the Dancing Falls. Ammarindar was on good terms with Eaerlann, which allowed the small dwarven hold to be established. The area of Dancing Falls contained a concentrated pocket of admantite, which the Ammarindar dwarved mined and forged into weapons and armor.

A Sun Elf House, the ancestors of the Fey'ri, commissioned the forging of an adamantite blade by the Ammardindar Dwarves of Dancing Falls. A small group of Sun Elves travelled to Dancing Falls to assist in the creation of the blade, resulting in the creation of a fabled "moonblade". The Sun Elf House had created a moonblade for the leaders of their family and house. However, before the moonblade could be sent to the Sun Elf House, the elven citadel Escalhorn fell.

In DR 882, waves of fiends swept through the High Forest and eventually reached the Dancing Falls, resulting in the slaughter of it's inhabitants. The elven "monblade" was lost in this area. The area was plundered by the fiends, but the fiends were driven back to Hellgate Keep before the "moonblade" was discovered. The "moonblade" lay dormant for nearly 400 years.

The Fey'ri were freed from Hellgate Keep in DR 1369. The Fey'ri seek to consolidate their power by raiding secret magic stores of their Sun Elf ancestors, known only to them. The Fey'ri know of the creation of the "moonblade" and have sent envoys to discover it, hoping to wield it since they are the last "true" scions of the Sun Elf House that orginally created the "moonblade".

The PC for the campaign, suffering from amnesia, does not know she was sent by the Fey'ri to discover the location of the "moonblade". The PC's ancestory leads back to the ancient Sun Elf house, which means she is one of the last true scions of the Sun Elf house. The PC must unlock the secret of her past: discovering that she is in league with the Fey'ri and discover the "moonblade" before the Fey'ri do.

If anyone sees any plot holes or gaps, missing dates, canon history inconsistencies, etc. please let me know. This is still a work in progress.

Should I put this in a new thread?
 

CapnZapp

Legend
Picking up this thread again thirteen years later, when Besilmer has popped back up in the D&D conscience (thanks to Princes of the Apocalypse being set in the area)... :)

Can anyone tell me if there is info, canon or otherwise, about the dwarven kingdom/hold that is beneath the Lost Peaks in the High Forest?

Well, let's see... from "Dwarves Deep" (1990), we know about...

Besilmer, a realm whose name and history is forgotten by most dwarves, though two of its works remain as landmarks known throughout the Sword Coast: the Stone Bridge, and the Halls of the Hunting Axe. In the same entry, the Hall of Four Ghosts is described.

dreaded beast,



http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Besilmer says Besilmer lasted from -4420 DR to -4160 DR, that is, several thousand years from "now", and lasted hundreds of years. (This could still be a single dwarf's lifetime)

My question is: is there a general discussion about reconciling these vastly different timelines. I mean, I don't fuss about a century here or there, but several millenia...?

Whether X happened nearly six thousand years ago, or "merely" twelve centuries ago, can't be simply dismissed as an accounting error, I mean.

This can't be the first such instance, so I'm asking for pointers where this subject is comprehensively covered.

Thanks!
 

Derulbaskul

Explorer
Picking up this thread again thirteen years later, when Besilmer has popped back up in the D&D conscience (thanks to Princes of the Apocalypse being set in the area)... :)









http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Besilmer says Besilmer lasted from -4420 DR to -4160 DR, that is, several thousand years from "now", and lasted hundreds of years. (This could still be a single dwarf's lifetime)

My question is: is there a general discussion about reconciling these vastly different timelines. I mean, I don't fuss about a century here or there, but several millenia...?

Whether X happened nearly six thousand years ago, or "merely" twelve centuries ago, can't be simply dismissed as an accounting error, I mean.

This can't be the first such instance, so I'm asking for pointers where this subject is comprehensively covered.

Thanks!


These sorts of disputes are normally hashed out over at Candlekeep. Look for George Krashos (aka Krash); he's the expert on all things dwarven and has Ed's imprimatur.
 

Hi CapnZapp

There is no canon info on the nature of the dwarven hold nestled in the Lost Peaks. There is non-canon stuff but I'm not sure that's what people are looking for.

That hold was founded by a clan fleeing the fall of Besilmer - Clan Tandarmorr if that interests you - which was isolated from other clans that fled into the southern High Forest and the protection of Sharrven and thence to found Ammarindar.

What "vastly different timelines" are you looking to reconcile? The reference in the right up of Besilmer in FR11 to the Fallen Kingdom relates to the Ironstar dwarves, not the Besilmer dwarves.

The Lost Peaks were not within the territory of Eaerlann, but rather Siluvanede. The dwarves there hid themselves by use of powerful rune magic and had almost no contact with anyone outside their clanhold. Finally, after many, many years the elves finally did discover them and the ones who found them were ... bad. And did bad things. The hold was called Rornfaern.

Cheers, George Krashos
 

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