Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Forgotten Realms: Rising from the Last Realms Shaking Event
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 7856528" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>So your position is one of pure ignorance here, Hussar, and you're assuming, out of ignorance, that I'm mad because "something was changed"? Despite me specifically saying in my post that change isn't the issue, outright deletion of the core elements of a setting is. Changing up the Factions, shaking up the political situation in Sigil, that could have been cool.</p><p></p><p>Specifically, right at the end of the TSR era, Monte Cook wrote a massive and not-great adventure, apparently intended to be the first of two, which wiped out all the Factions in Planescape, especially all the interesting, risky, or thoughtful ones, and replaced them with a handful of slapdash deeply generic organisations,. The Factions were the heart of Planescape, in that they made it more than a fancy MotP, and gave it a depth and artistry not often seen in RPG settings. He also wiped out most of the major NPCs in Sigil and reordered Sigil in a rather unfinished-feeling and ill-considered way.</p><p></p><p>Then apparently due to Wotc taking over and other factors he was never able to write the second adventure he claims he planned (his story has changed a couple of times).</p><p></p><p>You equate this deletion of the core of a setting with some arcane quasi-fact from an imagined Dragon article, then appear to blame me for your own ignorance. You defence appears to be "I know nothing and care nothing about Planescape so I can imply you're a pathetic canon obsessive and I can't be criticised because I'm ignorant on this and want to stay that way!". Do I understand correctly? That seems a rather audacious approach, old chap, I must say! <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤔" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f914.png" title="Thinking face :thinking:" data-shortname=":thinking:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /></p><p></p><p>Again, to be clear, obsession over canon is the problem I am complaining about. Cook wrote an unpopular and forgotten adventure which deleted much of the core of Planescape whilst adding nothing. Okay, fine. If canon should not be obsessed over, that should be forgotten. We agree, I think. But 3E and 4E needlessly and bizarrely did obsessed over this obscure and forgotten adventure, because technically it was the dreaded "canon". Those authors are the people who you should be arguing with.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 7856528, member: 18"] So your position is one of pure ignorance here, Hussar, and you're assuming, out of ignorance, that I'm mad because "something was changed"? Despite me specifically saying in my post that change isn't the issue, outright deletion of the core elements of a setting is. Changing up the Factions, shaking up the political situation in Sigil, that could have been cool. Specifically, right at the end of the TSR era, Monte Cook wrote a massive and not-great adventure, apparently intended to be the first of two, which wiped out all the Factions in Planescape, especially all the interesting, risky, or thoughtful ones, and replaced them with a handful of slapdash deeply generic organisations,. The Factions were the heart of Planescape, in that they made it more than a fancy MotP, and gave it a depth and artistry not often seen in RPG settings. He also wiped out most of the major NPCs in Sigil and reordered Sigil in a rather unfinished-feeling and ill-considered way. Then apparently due to Wotc taking over and other factors he was never able to write the second adventure he claims he planned (his story has changed a couple of times). You equate this deletion of the core of a setting with some arcane quasi-fact from an imagined Dragon article, then appear to blame me for your own ignorance. You defence appears to be "I know nothing and care nothing about Planescape so I can imply you're a pathetic canon obsessive and I can't be criticised because I'm ignorant on this and want to stay that way!". Do I understand correctly? That seems a rather audacious approach, old chap, I must say! 🤔 Again, to be clear, obsession over canon is the problem I am complaining about. Cook wrote an unpopular and forgotten adventure which deleted much of the core of Planescape whilst adding nothing. Okay, fine. If canon should not be obsessed over, that should be forgotten. We agree, I think. But 3E and 4E needlessly and bizarrely did obsessed over this obscure and forgotten adventure, because technically it was the dreaded "canon". Those authors are the people who you should be arguing with. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Forgotten Realms: Rising from the Last Realms Shaking Event
Top