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<blockquote data-quote="DMZ2112" data-source="post: 6228841" data-attributes="member: 78752"><p>I come down with @<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=2525" target="_blank">Mistwell</a></u></strong></em> on this; I've never had Beef Wellington and I'm not getting in line anytime soon. My point was not "Beef Wellington is delicious, and breakfast cereal is not." I'm a Honey Nut Cheerios man, myself, but I can appreciate that properly preparing Beef Wellington requires great skill and quality ingredients, while properly preparing Honey Nut Cheerios requires a concave surface and thumbs.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Are you arguing that people should read romance novels instead of Shakespeare because Shakespeare will fill their joints with uric acid? Otherwise I don't understand where you're taking my (beautifully crafted) metaphor.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, garbage is garbage, no matter how much of it you have. Personal preference doesn't enter into it. I love Stargate SG1 -- I don't think it's good science fiction. I can simultaneously enjoy the show and think the writers were lazy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, people have always been stupid. What you're seeing now is the decentralization of the means of publishing. Prior to the turn of the century idiots tended to die in obscurity, inflicting what passed for their mental processes on only those people they could reach with their limp, flailing tongues before the day they stuck that pencil too far up their nose.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Uh, I'm in total agreement. That is, frankly, the core of my entire argument.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My favorite Star Wars movie is Revenge of the Sith, so I wouldn't know from blasphemy. If Twilight never made it off the bargain rack at the drugstore, it would still be drivel. There are plenty of reasons to despise what passes for creative quality today that have nothing to do with popularity. The mass market is not itself what is wrong with these things; it is simply the means by which corporations profitably propagate them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I will be sure to wave as society leaves you screaming in the foggy, ancient distance.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You clearly don't know from hyperbolic or emotionally charged.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Literary analysis be damned. That crap is nonsense. I'm talking about narrative arc. Stories with beginnings, middles, and ends. Catastrophes. Denouement. Character and plot development. The stuff that actually makes you think when you read, instead of just drooling over tragic yet beloved outcast-idealogues taking out their (and your) frustrations on interchangeably nameless evil.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What are you I don't even.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure. But it is worth noting that until /now/ -- quite literally, /now/, in the scheme of societal development -- the written word has been the only long narrative form humanity has had. Those studies suffer from a bias they didn't even realize existed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DMZ2112, post: 6228841, member: 78752"] I come down with @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=2525"]Mistwell[/URL][/U][/B][/I] on this; I've never had Beef Wellington and I'm not getting in line anytime soon. My point was not "Beef Wellington is delicious, and breakfast cereal is not." I'm a Honey Nut Cheerios man, myself, but I can appreciate that properly preparing Beef Wellington requires great skill and quality ingredients, while properly preparing Honey Nut Cheerios requires a concave surface and thumbs. Are you arguing that people should read romance novels instead of Shakespeare because Shakespeare will fill their joints with uric acid? Otherwise I don't understand where you're taking my (beautifully crafted) metaphor. No, garbage is garbage, no matter how much of it you have. Personal preference doesn't enter into it. I love Stargate SG1 -- I don't think it's good science fiction. I can simultaneously enjoy the show and think the writers were lazy. No, people have always been stupid. What you're seeing now is the decentralization of the means of publishing. Prior to the turn of the century idiots tended to die in obscurity, inflicting what passed for their mental processes on only those people they could reach with their limp, flailing tongues before the day they stuck that pencil too far up their nose. Uh, I'm in total agreement. That is, frankly, the core of my entire argument. My favorite Star Wars movie is Revenge of the Sith, so I wouldn't know from blasphemy. If Twilight never made it off the bargain rack at the drugstore, it would still be drivel. There are plenty of reasons to despise what passes for creative quality today that have nothing to do with popularity. The mass market is not itself what is wrong with these things; it is simply the means by which corporations profitably propagate them. No. I will be sure to wave as society leaves you screaming in the foggy, ancient distance. You clearly don't know from hyperbolic or emotionally charged. Literary analysis be damned. That crap is nonsense. I'm talking about narrative arc. Stories with beginnings, middles, and ends. Catastrophes. Denouement. Character and plot development. The stuff that actually makes you think when you read, instead of just drooling over tragic yet beloved outcast-idealogues taking out their (and your) frustrations on interchangeably nameless evil. What are you I don't even. Sure. But it is worth noting that until /now/ -- quite literally, /now/, in the scheme of societal development -- the written word has been the only long narrative form humanity has had. Those studies suffer from a bias they didn't even realize existed. [/QUOTE]
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