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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scribble" data-source="post: 4713624" data-attributes="member: 23977">Well thats the thing... there is no longer an action called "grapple." Grab isn't grapple. It's litterally just grabbing your opponent. Fairly silly unless you have some other action ready to go.Instead of ful blown grapple rules, 4e takes a different approach. First you grab the enemy, then you layer on other actions with powers and feats and such. Stuff like:Garrote Grip Rogue Attack 15 The more your enemy struggles, the less you want to let him go. Daily * Martial, Reliable, WeaponStandard Action (Special) Melee weaponSpecial: You can use this power as a minor action if you have already  grabbed a creature. Doing so requires no attack roll. Requirement: You must be wielding a light blade. Target: One creature Dexterity vs. ReflexHit: 2[W] + Dexterity modifier damage, and you grab the target. Until the target escapes, you have cover, and any melee attack or ranged attack that misses you hits the target instead.Sustain Minor: Sustain the grab for another round. The third time you sustain the grab after using this power, the target falls unconscious. If an unconscious target takes any damage, it is no longer unconscious.So the idea of grabbing someone gets slightly more usefull, and slightly more complex, but only to the people involved. Which I think is brilliant because it alows the core game to stay easy, but allows new elements to be added on.</blockquote>