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<blockquote data-quote="Milambus" data-source="post: 4514648" data-attributes="member: 74238">I agree, 4e has fewer options for the wizard than 3.5 did.&nbsp; I actually went and counted to see how many fewer options he has now.&nbsp; In 3.5, from the PHB the wizard had 371 spells.&nbsp; Wow, yea that quite some versatility.&nbsp; Of course it takes 107 pages to actually detail what those spells do.&nbsp; Well, lets say 60 pages, since the cleric and some other classes have some spells in that section also.So the wizard gets 60 pages of detail, just for his spells while the fighter gets... 2 pages.&nbsp; Yes, 2 pages.&nbsp; The rogue, he gets 2 and a half pages.In 4e, the wizard gets 85 spells detailed over 13 pages, a decrease from 3.5.&nbsp; He also get 49 rituals, which take up another 20 pages.&nbsp; But now the fighter can have 11.5 pages, and the rogue gets 11 pages. And since the core books have come out, WotC has released:Dragon 364: 9 new spellsDragon 366: 29 new ritualsDragon 367: 1 new epic destinyForgotten Realms Player's Guide: 25 new rituals, several paragon pathsAdventurer's Vault: 1 new ritual (transfer enchantment)Oh and the Artificer play test in Dragon 365, which is likely where your utility wizard went.So I'm sorry that the Wizard doesn't get the top billing that he used to, taking up 20-30 times as much space in the PHB as other classes did.&nbsp; But for some of us that fine, we like that the book and the game is more balanced now.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Milambus, post: 4514648, member: 74238"] I agree, 4e has fewer options for the wizard than 3.5 did. I actually went and counted to see how many fewer options he has now. In 3.5, from the PHB the wizard had 371 spells. Wow, yea that quite some versatility. Of course it takes 107 pages to actually detail what those spells do. Well, lets say 60 pages, since the cleric and some other classes have some spells in that section also. So the wizard gets 60 pages of detail, just for his spells while the fighter gets... 2 pages. Yes, 2 pages. The rogue, he gets 2 and a half pages. In 4e, the wizard gets 85 spells detailed over 13 pages, a decrease from 3.5. He also get 49 rituals, which take up another 20 pages. But now the fighter can have 11.5 pages, and the rogue gets 11 pages. And since the core books have come out, WotC has released: Dragon 364: 9 new spells Dragon 366: 29 new rituals Dragon 367: 1 new epic destiny Forgotten Realms Player's Guide: 25 new rituals, several paragon paths Adventurer's Vault: 1 new ritual (transfer enchantment) Oh and the Artificer play test in Dragon 365, which is likely where your utility wizard went. So I'm sorry that the Wizard doesn't get the top billing that he used to, taking up 20-30 times as much space in the PHB as other classes did. But for some of us that fine, we like that the book and the game is more balanced now. [/QUOTE]

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