Ftr/Monk combo questions

Phoenix8008

First Post
Okay, building a monk-like character of around 8th level total and thinking of adding at least 4 levels of fighter to get access to wepaon specialization(unarmed) and the bonus combat feats. Obviously, by the PHB I'd have to take the 4 Ftr levels first and then the Monk levels if I meant to continue mainly as a monk, so assume that's the plan.

I have a couple questions though.

1st: Can a fighter take the Weapon Specialization feat multiple times for different weapons?

2nd: Does the monks unarmed attack bonus change if I have levels other than monk first? Or would a Ftr4/Mnk4 still only have an unarmed attack bonus of +3 while his regular BAB was +6/+1?

Any answers to these questions would be greatly appreciated.
 

log in or register to remove this ad

Phoenix8008 said:
1st: Can a fighter take the Weapon Specialization feat multiple times for different weapons?
Yes, as long as the character has 4 fighter levels and Weapon Focus for each weapon.
2nd: Does the monks unarmed attack bonus change if I have levels other than monk first? Or would a Ftr4/Mnk4 still only have an unarmed attack bonus of +3 while his regular BAB was +6/+1?
Regular BAB is +7/+2 (+4 fighter, +3 monk). The unarmed BAB stuff only matters for extra attacks, so in this case it would still be +7/+2. But a Ftr1/Mnk7 would have a regular BAB of +6/+1 and an unarmed BAB of +6/+2.
 

Unarmed attacks don't use the regular iterative attack progression do they? Otherwise what happens when you get to Ftr4/Mnk6?

Regular BAB is then +8/+3, but the UBAB from the monk levels alone is +4/+1, so if unarmed attacks iterated both, that monk would have unarmed attacks at +8/+5/+3?

Pure class monks don't benefit from the standard iterative attacks when using unarmed attacks, so it makes more sense to say that monk gets attacks at +8/+5.

In other words the monk's current attack is at +7.
 

Monks attack would be at +7/+2.

Why multiclassing? The monk advancement would have you do more damage without weapon specialisation (unarmed).
 

OA, page 33-34
"Character who have levels of only monk classes always get more unarmed attacks than they would noramlly get based on their base attack bonus (additionaly attacks at intervals of -3, instead of -5). Characters who have levels in other classes as well may or may not gain an advantage from this, and any advantage is often slight.

"Table 3-1: Multiple Unarmed Attacks
Base Attack Bonus Additional Unarmed Attacks
+0 .... ---
+1 .... ---
+2 .... ---
+3 .... ---
+4 .... +1
+5 .... +2
+6 .... +3
+7 .... +4/+1
+8 .... +5/+2
+9 .... +6/+3
+10 ... +7/+4/+1
+11 ... +8/+5/+2
+12 ... +9/+6/+3
+13 ... +10/+7/+4/+1
+14 ... +11/+8/+5/+2
+15 ... +12/+9/+6/+3

"Example: Asako Turima is a 10th-level monk/4th-level henshin mystic. His base attack bonus is +10 (+7 from his monk levels, +3 from his henshin mystic levels). Normally, this would give him an additional attack at +5. He can instead take the additional unarmed attacks listed for his +10 attack bonus (since the entire bonus is derived from monk and mystic levels) on Table 3-1: Multiple Unarmed Attacks, +7/+4/+1. Thus, he can make four attacks in a round with an unarmed strike (or a monk weaopn), at +10, +7, +4 and +1. When using another weapon, he can make two attacks at +10 and +5. He has the unarmed damage, AC bonus and speed of a 14th-level monk.

"Togashi Tidaiko, however, is a 3rd-level samurai/5th-level monk/ 7th-level tattooed monk. Her base attack bonus is +11 (+3 from her samurai levels, +3 from her monk levels, and +5 from her tattooed monk levels). Normally she would have two additional attacks at +6 and +1. She can instead take the additional unarmed attacks listed for a +8 base attack bonus from her monk and tattooed monk levels on Table 3-1, +5 and +2. She makes three attacks in a round, whether armed or unarmed. If unarmed (or using a monk weapon), she can choose whether to strike at +11/+6/+1 or at +11/+5/+2. Armed with an ordinary weapon, she must attack at +11/+6/+1. She has the unarmed damage, AC bonus, and abase speed of a 12-th level monk."

from the PHB, page 55
"Monk Base Attack Bonus: The monk is a special case because her additional unarmed attacks are better than her base attack bonus would suggest. For a multiclass monk fighting unarmed, the character must either use the additional attacks given for her monk levels (only) or the additional attacks that are standard for her combined base attack bonus, but not both. "

That being said, a Monk 4/Fighter 4 will have a BAB of +7/+2. Unarmed he will fight at +7/+2 (because his UBAB is +7/nil, so he uses his BAB instead.) When flurrying, it's +5/+5/+0.

Specializing can be taken multiple times, for different weapons, including unarmed strikes.

The reasons to take specialization:
1- +2 to damage is the same average as 2 die size increase, so a d6+2 is as good on the average as a d10, and at a lower level than the monk can get it.

2- for monkish weapons other than unarmed (kama, siangham, nunchaku, lajatang, three-sectional staff). This bumps their damage (see above).

3- As a fighter, the increased BAB is very helpful early on as well as higher levels, so are the increased number of feats.

A fighter/monk probably isn't as powerful as a straight monk in unarmed combat, but he will be fairly close, only have a lot better weapon options, for characters who want to use equipment other than their fists. If one is in a campaign where GMF and MF are rare, for instance, but GMW and MW are not, this would be a strong build for a melee character.

Greg
 

Re: Re: Ftr/Monk combo questions

Spatula said:
Yes, as long as the character has 4 fighter levels and Weapon Focus for each weapon.

Wow, so to specialize in two weapons, the person has to be an 8th level fighter? Jeez.

As for the monks UBAB, thanks for the answers. I might just forget about the fighter levels after all. We'll see.
 

Re: Re: Re: Ftr/Monk combo questions

Phoenix8008 said:


Wow, so to specialize in two weapons, the person has to be an 8th level fighter? Jeez.

As for the monks UBAB, thanks for the answers. I might just forget about the fighter levels after all. We'll see.

No, to specialize in two weapons you need weapon focus for each, and at 4th level and beyond you can take weapon specialization as a feat. So you can do two weapons by 6th level, not 8th.
 

Ah, that's better. The way Spatula phrased that answer confused me.

Thanks for the answers everybody. I'm still undecided though. Looking at it now, the Wpn. Specialization is less attractive to me than the extra feats I could get from the fighter levels. Hmmm...gotta think on it some more. At least I've got till Friday to have this character ready!
 

Pets & Sidekicks

Remove ads

Top