Fuids new project?

[Mynex]

Re: What about the Monkeys?

Its an interesting one.

ETools was handed over to the CodeMokeys, who've apparantly worked quite hard to get lots of fixes in.

Clearly, Fluid did a lot of mapper work under the original MasterTools concept that became irrelevant - but which I'm sure they would like to see sold in some commercial way. There was also talk that they had secretly worked on some internet play.

Obviously the character/creature generator would be the heart of any D&D tool, but its now in CodeMonkey hands.

So, how would all that work out?

I made a bet on our forums that it was some type of mapper since they did work on one... From the grapevine at the con, it would seem that may be true.

*shrug* It's speculation until something is announced, so I guess we'll all just have to wait and see.

 

[Luke]

Re: Re: What about the Monkeys?

I made a bet on our forums that it was some type of mapper since they did work on one... From the grapevine at the con, it would seem that may be true.

*shrug* It's speculation until something is announced, so I guess we'll all just have to wait and see.

Well, I just hope that you don't somehow get shafted in a deal between Wizards and Fluid.

It seems unlikely that Fluid could proceed without special license from Wizards - and you can bet that they'd like to use the ETools code that they created as part of that.

The CodeMonkey/ETools deal was managed by Anthony V, who no longer works there - under orders from his manager to fix up the ETools problem.

Looking from the outside, it seems that a fair bit of PCGen momentum was deflected towards the ETools commercial deal. A strange kind of deal, where the main guys of one of the most active open source (SourceForge) projects, got deflected into comercially supporting its opposition.
It would be very unfortunate if ultimately even that deal got shafted out of expediency for a return to the original Fluid/MasterTools concept.

Hope it all turns out well.

PS: In think I can appreciate the "strange deal". I gather that it all came about in quest of the "holy grail" for non-core Wizards source books.
From what I see, Wizards set all the hoops (OGL/D20 compliance etc), and then still didn't support the PCGen free dataset concept. Instead the hoop became: We charge, the main guys get a cut, and we get ETools fixed up for us (or something close to that).
Worked out well all-around - except for those who wanted the original concept of free PCGen dataset support for books already purchased. Still, Wizards weren't going to have it any other way, despite expectations on the carrots originally dangled.

 

[Kristian Serrano]

Still nothing official, huh?

 

[karianna]

Looking from the outside, it seems that a fair bit of PCGen momentum was deflected towards the ETools commercial deal. A strange kind of deal, where the main guys of one of the most active open source (SourceForge) projects, got deflected into comercially supporting its opposition.

It would be very unfortunate if ultimately even that deal got shafted out of expediency for a return to the original Fluid/MasterTools concept.

That _definately_ won't happen (I was there @ Gencon under the CMP banner). CMP have got the rights etc to keep developing ETools further etc

PS: In think I can appreciate the "strange deal". I gather that it all came about in quest of the "holy grail" for non-core Wizards source books.
From what I see, Wizards set all the hoops (OGL/D20 compliance etc), and then still didn't support the PCGen free dataset concept. Instead the hoop became: We charge, the main guys get a cut, and we get ETools fixed up for us (or something close to that).
Worked out well all-around - except for those who wanted the original concept of free PCGen dataset support for books already purchased. Still, Wizards weren't going to have it any other way, despite expectations on the carrots originally dangled.

Wow!! A user has hit it _right_ on the head, for those looking for an explanation of what happened, this is a very good one <beam>

Karianna
PCGEN - Tracker Monkey Silverback - Board Of Directors
CMP and PCGEN - Moderator for several groups

 

[Kristian Serrano]

I made a bet on our forums that it was some type of mapper since they did work on one... From the grapevine at the con, it would seem that may be true.

*shrug* It's speculation until something is announced, so I guess we'll all just have to wait and see.

Just doing a periodic check up on any new rumors or facts regarding Fluid's supposed new project... Anyone got any info?

 

[talmar]

Any news at all as to this project?

 

[Luke]

Any news at all as to this project?

Still nothing, except that CMP confirmed that they have the rights to continue with the devlopment of ETools.

I can't imagine Fluid proceeding without the character generator that they originally created (ETools).