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<blockquote data-quote="jdeleski" data-source="post: 5341163" data-attributes="member: 33307">But apparently the rules for attacking within a grapple are different for grapple controller as opposed to grapple defender.&nbsp; From what I'm able to tell, it is true that the individual who controls the grapple must only make a CMB vs. CMD roll to damage the grappled defender, and does not need to make an attack roll to do so. But it appears that the grapple defender (the creature who is in the grapple but doesn't control the grapple) must make attack rolls at -2 to hit and damage any &quot;creature within reach&quot;, including the grapple controller. &nbsp;I really think that the grapple defender should have to make a CMB vs. CMD check to attack any creature outside the grapple, but that's my own opinion.&nbsp; If the grapple defender wants to attack the grapple controller, then yeah, a simple attack roll would suffice (since the grapple controller is right there, in the defender's face, trying to maintain the grapple).&nbsp;J.&nbsp;EDIT:&nbsp; Added a couple of clarifying sentences.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jdeleski, post: 5341163, member: 33307"] But apparently the rules for attacking within a grapple are different for grapple controller as opposed to grapple defender. From what I'm able to tell, it is true that the individual who controls the grapple must only make a CMB vs. CMD roll to damage the grappled defender, and does not need to make an attack roll to do so. But it appears that the grapple defender (the creature who is in the grapple but doesn't control the grapple) must make attack rolls at -2 to hit and damage any "creature within reach", including the grapple controller. I really think that the grapple defender should have to make a CMB vs. CMD check to attack any creature outside the grapple, but that's my own opinion. If the grapple defender wants to attack the grapple controller, then yeah, a simple attack roll would suffice (since the grapple controller is right there, in the defender's face, trying to maintain the grapple). J. EDIT: Added a couple of clarifying sentences. [/QUOTE]

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