full attacks, haste, and spring attack

[comrade raoul]

Suppose I'm a hasted 11th-level fighter. I've got the Spring Attack feat and am wielding a greatsword. Would it be permissible to allow me to:

a) Treat my extra partial action as a normal move action, and, with Spring Attack, move towards my opponent, smack it three times with my sword as a full attack, and with my remaining amount of partial movement, move away according to Spring Attack?

b) As a standard action, move towards my opponent and hit him once with my greatsword, using my extra partial action to attack him again before moving away (I'd use this version, perhaps, against high-AC opponents, preferring two attacks at my best bonus to one at my best and two more at -5 and -10, respectively).

I know, as written, haste prevents me from doing either of these things. The extra partial action must be either before or after my action -- not split on either side of my action (as with option "a") or in the middle of my action (as with "b"). But I think both "a" and "b" are very much in the spirit of haste and Spring Attack, and there are good reasons not to go by the letter of the rules when considering haste in conjunction with certain feats (like using haste with Expertise, taking your extra partial action after your normal action, taking the full -5 Expertise penalty with it, and getting a +5 AC bonus without getting the Expertise penalty on your normall full attack).

 

[Dreaddisease]

I do not think I understand your first example even though I would think of it this way.

You cannot get a full attack while moving more than 5 foot before and a full move after or full move before and 5 foot after.

partial action : Move forward full movement. (30 ft)
Standard Action : 3 attacks
Free Action : Move 5 ft backwards. (No penalty)

or
Free Action: Move 5 feet forward.
Standard Action : 3 attacks
Partial Action : Move away at full movement (30 ft)

Of course I think you can do this w/o spring attack, but from what I read there is nothing that says that you won't get an AoO if you do this. Haste does not prevent AoO.

Also option b is not possible. You cannot take a partial action in the middle.

 

[kreynolds]

a) Treat my extra partial action as a normal move action, and, with Spring Attack, move towards my opponent, smack it three times with my sword as a full attack, and with my remaining amount of partial movement, move away according to Spring Attack?

No. Spring attack is a standard action, which allows you to move and take one attack. Hasted, you would use the following actions: Move (haste action), Full attack, then nothing else. You deny yourself the 5-foot step that comes with the attack because you moved. If you want to use Spring Attack, you could: Move (haste action), Move in-Attack once-Move away (Spring attack).

b) As a standard action, move towards my opponent and hit him once with my greatsword, using my extra partial action to attack him again before moving away (I'd use this version, perhaps, against high-AC opponents, preferring two attacks at my best bonus to one at my best and two more at -5 and -10, respectively).

No. If you take the following actions: Move (standard), Attack once (standard), Attack again (haste), you don't get the 5-foot step because you have already moved.

If the actions I listed here and above are not the actions you are trying to take, please be more specfic about what actions you intend to use, where you intend to use them, and whether they are normal or haste actions.

 

[kreynolds]

Also option b is not possible. You cannot take a partial action in the middle.

Neither are possible. You can't take a 5-foot step and move and in the same round. You get one or the other. Not both.

 

[Dreaddisease]

Wait a second. You can move twice with spring attack and twice with haste so why can't the character move twice with both? Now I have a problem with getting 3 attacks and moving away but that is a seperate issue. A full attack option lets you take a 5 foot step before, during or after. Haste lets you take an extra partial action.

A character with haste can move his movement (30 ft in this case) and do a full attack. So why can't he move 5 feet for his full attack option?

 

[kreynolds]

So why can't he move 5 feet for his full attack option?

I just told you. You get only one 5-foot step per round, and even then only if you have not already moved. If he moves (haste), then takes a full attack action, he can't take a 5-foot step. Them's the rules, but you can change them.

 

[JRRNeiklot]

Spring attack is a full round action. If hasted, you could cast a spell, drink a potion, etc, either before or after the spring attack. What you are suggesting is that you interrupt the spring attack and mix your partial action in the middle of it. That won't work. The monk/rogue in my game has boots of speed and he LOVES spring attack. He normally spring attacks and then with his hasted action, either throws a weapon or does a partial charge. Or activates that confounded ring of invisibility. :-(

 

[smetzger]

Neither are possible. You can't take a 5-foot step and move and in the same round. You get one or the other. Not both.

If you don't move your full movement you can still take a 5 ft step. For example with Spring Attack and having a movement of 30 ft you could move 25 ft make your attack and then make a 5 ft step.

 

[Artoomis]

If you don't move your full movement you can still take a 5 ft step. For example with Spring Attack and having a movement of 30 ft you could move 25 ft make your attack and then make a 5 ft step.

No, you can't. You can move 5 feet, because that adds up to your total allowed movement of 30 feet, but that's not the same as a 5-foot step, which, by definition, you only get if you do not otherwise move in your round.

Keep in mind that a 5-foot step:

Does not count as movement (as in a standard action is an action plus a move).
Does not draw an AoO.

 

[James McMurray]

If you don't move your full movement you can still take a 5 ft step. For example with Spring Attack and having a movement of 30 ft you could move 25 ft make your attack and then make a 5 ft step.

Smetzger, you are both right and wrong.

If you do not otherwise move in a round, you may take a free 5' step, which does not provoke AoOs.

If you have moved previously in the round, you may move 5' (using Spring Attack) but this is not a 5' step, in that it does not protect you from AoOs.

If you have previously moved and taken a full attack action, you cannot move again, as you do not satisfy the conditions for the free 5' step or the Spring Attack movement after an attack.