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<blockquote data-quote="electric-ant" data-source="post: 771963" data-attributes="member: 9845"><p>I'm sorry, but I don't think this is going to work. I'm really not interested in new core classes, in any case, and the whole class is untested and potentially unbalanced, and will take a lot of time for me to understand, in addition to the fact that I really don't see it fitting into the game.</p><p></p><p>However, if you like the idea of being a dragon-ish shapechanger, I can give you a bunch of non-druid options, depending on what rulebooks you own.</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Shifter prestige class from <em>Masters of the Wild</em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Shapeshifter prestige class from <em>Oriental Adventures</em>, with the Dragon Wild Shape epic feat.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Egoist psion with a polymorph focus from <em>Psionics Handbook</em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Any caster with <em>polymorph self</em>, <em>alter self</em> or other shapechanging magic with the feat "Innate Spell" from the FRCS. If you don't own it, the feat basically gives you the ability to cast a single spell as a spell-like ability, once per round at will, but it burns a spell slot of eight levels higher than the spell you want as an ability. The prerequisites are Quicken Spell, Still Spell, and Silent Spell.</li> </ul><p></p><p>The last one will require you to be a straight wizard or sorcerer, take Improved Spell Capacity three times, and then sacrifice an epic bonus feat for Innate Spell (<em>polymorph self</em>), and will still restrict you to large-sized dragons.</p><p></p><p>Hm. Not exactly what you had in mind, I'm sure, so I'm trying to think of other options.</p><p></p><p>Here's an epic spell that accomplishes about the same thing:</p><p></p><p><strong>Greater Dracoform</strong></p><p>Transmutation</p><p>Spellcraft DC: 94</p><p>Components: V, S</p><p>Casting Time: 10 minutes</p><p>Range: Personal</p><p>Duration: Permanent</p><p>Saving Throw: Fortitude negates (harmless)</p><p>Spell Resistance: Yes (harmless)</p><p>To Develop: 846,000 gp; 17 days; 33840 XP. Seed: <em>transform</em> (DC 21). Factors: up to colossal (+24 DC), change type to dragon (+5 DC), up to 26 HD (+22 DC), breath weapon (+10 DC), granted subtype (+10 DC), one special ability [cloudwalking, spider climb, water breathing, icewalking, or sound imitation] (+10 DC), choose dragon type (ad hoc +10 DC), return to normal form and back as full-round action (ad hoc +20 DC). Mitigating factors: increase casting time by 9 minutes (-18 DC), backlash 20d6 (-20 DC), change target to personal (-2 DC).</p><p></p><p>This spell, once cast, allows the caster to shift from his regular form to that of any dragon, up to colossal size and 26 HD or the caster's character level, whichever is less. The caster gains all of the extraordinary and supernatural abilities of the chosen dragon, but not the dragon's damage reduction, spell-like abilities or caster level. In addition, the caster retains his own memories, personality, Intelligence, Wisdom, Charisma, level, class, hit points, alignment, base attack bonus, base saves and base saves, but is granted the appropriate subtype of the dragon, possibly granting energy immunity or the ability to breathe water. The spell takes ten minutes to cast and deals the caster 20d6 backlash damage. As long as it is in effect, it uses up one of the caster's epic spell slots.</p><p>----------------------------</p><p></p><p>Edit it or don't use it or whatever as you will. It's barely achievable at 26th and might even be on the far side of balance, but we'll see.</p><p></p><p>I probably could have learned the rules for your class in the time it took me to make that. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="electric-ant, post: 771963, member: 9845"] I'm sorry, but I don't think this is going to work. I'm really not interested in new core classes, in any case, and the whole class is untested and potentially unbalanced, and will take a lot of time for me to understand, in addition to the fact that I really don't see it fitting into the game. However, if you like the idea of being a dragon-ish shapechanger, I can give you a bunch of non-druid options, depending on what rulebooks you own. [list][*]Shifter prestige class from [i]Masters of the Wild[/i][*]Shapeshifter prestige class from [i]Oriental Adventures[/i], with the Dragon Wild Shape epic feat. [*]Egoist psion with a polymorph focus from [i]Psionics Handbook[/i][*]Any caster with [i]polymorph self[/i], [i]alter self[/i] or other shapechanging magic with the feat "Innate Spell" from the FRCS. If you don't own it, the feat basically gives you the ability to cast a single spell as a spell-like ability, once per round at will, but it burns a spell slot of eight levels higher than the spell you want as an ability. The prerequisites are Quicken Spell, Still Spell, and Silent Spell. [/list] The last one will require you to be a straight wizard or sorcerer, take Improved Spell Capacity three times, and then sacrifice an epic bonus feat for Innate Spell ([i]polymorph self[/i]), and will still restrict you to large-sized dragons. Hm. Not exactly what you had in mind, I'm sure, so I'm trying to think of other options. Here's an epic spell that accomplishes about the same thing: [b]Greater Dracoform[/b] Transmutation Spellcraft DC: 94 Components: V, S Casting Time: 10 minutes Range: Personal Duration: Permanent Saving Throw: Fortitude negates (harmless) Spell Resistance: Yes (harmless) To Develop: 846,000 gp; 17 days; 33840 XP. Seed: [i]transform[/i] (DC 21). Factors: up to colossal (+24 DC), change type to dragon (+5 DC), up to 26 HD (+22 DC), breath weapon (+10 DC), granted subtype (+10 DC), one special ability [cloudwalking, spider climb, water breathing, icewalking, or sound imitation] (+10 DC), choose dragon type (ad hoc +10 DC), return to normal form and back as full-round action (ad hoc +20 DC). Mitigating factors: increase casting time by 9 minutes (-18 DC), backlash 20d6 (-20 DC), change target to personal (-2 DC). This spell, once cast, allows the caster to shift from his regular form to that of any dragon, up to colossal size and 26 HD or the caster's character level, whichever is less. The caster gains all of the extraordinary and supernatural abilities of the chosen dragon, but not the dragon's damage reduction, spell-like abilities or caster level. In addition, the caster retains his own memories, personality, Intelligence, Wisdom, Charisma, level, class, hit points, alignment, base attack bonus, base saves and base saves, but is granted the appropriate subtype of the dragon, possibly granting energy immunity or the ability to breathe water. The spell takes ten minutes to cast and deals the caster 20d6 backlash damage. As long as it is in effect, it uses up one of the caster's epic spell slots. ---------------------------- Edit it or don't use it or whatever as you will. It's barely achievable at 26th and might even be on the far side of balance, but we'll see. I probably could have learned the rules for your class in the time it took me to make that. :D [/QUOTE]
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