Gaming Group Help - Will I get kicked out?

[dreaded_beast]

Kinda long rant.

My gaming group consists of 3 players and 1 DM. The 3 players (including myself) are veteran 3.0-3.5 players, while our DM is still new to 3.0-3.5. The last time he DMed I believe it was back during Basic DND.

Anyways, I find myself being frustrated at times because when he makes rulings, encounters, etc., I don't think he is using or understanding the rules correctly. In the past, the players would have to correct him every so often when he made errors in interpreting the rules. I understand that the DM is "always right", but when he would ask for ThacO and tell us to make a Save vs. Wands, we would have to say something.

However, during the past couple of sessions he has greatly improved and I wouldn't know that he didn't have that much experience with (3.0) 3.5 unless I played with him when he first started DMing for this group. However, due to my knowledge of his inexperience and playing with him during the first couple of his learning sessions, I believe I have lost the "player's trusting the DM to know what he is doing" feeling.

In addition, his gaming style is a bit different than what I am used to. It is well enough, but not my first choice of gaming style. More heavy on the rolling of dice, not much description if you know what I mean. Anyways, this coupled with the above, has lead me to make "smart comments" or "mouth off" slightly during the game.

When I think about it, I think I may be considered a "problem player" when compared to the rest of the people in the group. I tend to question the DM alot (mainly because I'm not sure I entirely trust what he is doing) and I end up inadvertantly "shooting my mouth off". Last session, I think I may have frustrated the DM and have offended him personally. We were hanging out for around an hour or two after the session and he seemed a bit "peeved" at me, but I'm hoping that it was because everyone was tired and it was getting into the early hours of the morning.

I don't want to leave this group and like everyone it. In fact, I was friends/acquantice of the DM long before we started playing together. However, when I think about it, everyone in the group seems pretty content except for me, which causes me to "complain" (not whine, but make comments here and ther) every so often. If anyone in the group would be considered a "problem player", I think it would be me.

Advice?

 

[Crothian]

Talkm to them. Bring it up and see what they think. But you are right if you don't trust the DM it is not going to lead to good gaming. So you need to relax and just not worry about him making mistakes.

 

[kolikeos]

cheer up, there are worse cases than yours. (mine for example)
i play with a dm that is NEVER right. he is very discriptive about EVERY SINGLE F***ING THING, but he knows not how to discribe ANYTHING! the game moves at a rate of one round per hour. (or worse) i never had the feeling you discribed of trusting the dm, and i always have something to say about everything.

(do not suggest that i leave my group, this has gone on for two years now and it will most likely continue that way, with nither me nor him caring TOO much.)

 

[Pielorinho]

An apology goes a long way in a situation like this. "Listen," you can say, "sorry I was being kind of a tweaker last night--I've got a real particular way that I like to play, and sometimes I get pretty stuck on playing like that."

With some tact and grace, you can move into a discussion of the kinds of things you'd like to see more of in the game, and he can also tell you the kinds of things he'd like to see you doing in the game.

Daniel

 

[Treebore]

Its amazing what talking to people in a calm, civil, and open manner can accomplish.

 

[takyris]

Ditto the dude with the leaf avatar in all meaningful respects.

 

[billd91]

An apology goes a long way in a situation like this. "Listen," you can say, "sorry I was being kind of a tweaker last night--I've got a real particular way that I like to play, and sometimes I get pretty stuck on playing like that."

With some tact and grace, you can move into a discussion of the kinds of things you'd like to see more of in the game, and he can also tell you the kinds of things he'd like to see you doing in the game.

Daniel

You could also offer to help him with certain rules, particularly in doing the work of looking things up in the book for him so he can concentrate on running rather than flipping pages when he has a rule question. That might further help his transition into the newest edition.

 

[RPGgirl]

Likewise, unless its going to kill your character or another players character *immediately*, keep your mouth shut. The DM is probably aware of his shortcomings, and is probably trying to do the best he can in an unfamiliar situation. You making comments, off handed or not, is probably not helping and detracting more from the campaign then adding to it.

I hate to say it, but I played in a campaign with a player that did that, and the group collapsed. That player managed to interject so often with snide mumbles, that playing became this atmosphere of distrust and anxiety.

To be honest, as a DM, I would give you a warning, and if you kept it up, either quit the campaign or ask you to leave.

In short, my advice, watch what you say, and if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

 

[sellars]

I would say: Let him read this thread!

Show that you care about the game and about his progress as a DM.

He has a right to learn of course. Because of the nature of the game, critique is often taken personally, so be very, very cautious with not so much what you say, but more importantly how you say it. It doesn't sound like you went over a point of no return, so talking helps. (MAN I feel like a psychologist right now )

We dealt with a lot of conflicts in our group lately, and the storm is just beginning to clear. We were on the verge of breaking up, but we managed to hold the group together.

hope it works out.

And oh, if you said things you feel you shouldn't have said, it never hurts to say you're sorry, that works wonders!

 

[BlackSilver]

Saying you are sorry does go a long way.

Explain to your GM and the other Players why you are doing what you are doing.

Perhaps DMing yourself will help to give the DM a different perspective on DMing, and that might help his style problem.