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<blockquote data-quote="overgeeked" data-source="post: 9308966" data-attributes="member: 86653">That's not the issue in my case at least. My kid was 11 when 5E dropped and we played regularly. The extended family has lots of younger kids and my kid had a lot of friends, so I know how kids are and I vividly remember what it was like being a kid myself. My issue isn't that they're new to the hobby or young.That's my issue with the new wave of players. This describes the overwhelmingly vast majority of my experience with new to RPGs with 5E players. This weird kind of pretentious elitism from people new to the hobby with absolutely zero knowledge of its history or the breadth of options. D&amp;D hipsters or something.Yes, there's far more nuance than my snippy comment suggests. But if we want to keep the bigots out (which I absolutely do want), then we have to accept some gatekeeping. As you say, we have to keep out the bigots so they don't push out everyone who isn't a straight white cis-het man. Gatekeeping to keep the bigots out, good. Gatekeeping to keep anyone else out, bad. But that's still gatekeeping.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="overgeeked, post: 9308966, member: 86653"] That's not the issue in my case at least. My kid was 11 when 5E dropped and we played regularly. The extended family has lots of younger kids and my kid had a lot of friends, so I know how kids are and I vividly remember what it was like being a kid myself. My issue isn't that they're new to the hobby or young. That's my issue with the new wave of players. This describes the overwhelmingly vast majority of my experience with new to RPGs with 5E players. This weird kind of pretentious elitism from people new to the hobby with absolutely zero knowledge of its history or the breadth of options. D&D hipsters or something. Yes, there's far more nuance than my snippy comment suggests. But if we want to keep the bigots out (which I absolutely do want), then we have to accept some gatekeeping. As you say, we have to keep out the bigots so they don't push out everyone who isn't a straight white cis-het man. Gatekeeping to keep the bigots out, good. Gatekeeping to keep anyone else out, bad. But that's still gatekeeping. [/QUOTE]

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