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<blockquote data-quote="Emberashh" data-source="post: 9086695" data-attributes="member: 7040941">4e was a success for its time. Its reputation is a lot of hindsight that gets conflated with the fact that it spawned Pathfinder and arguably OSR too. And 4e, meanwhile, actually just proves the point. Ive maintained for a while that 5e is just basically a lobotomized 4e, and that is why people keep reinventing 4e when they try to fix 5es problems. If they iterated on it, both it and what could have been 5e would be in a better state than either one is as what are basically giant one offs fully reflective of how they design. I don't actually like templates. But I do recognize that if you're going to go that route in a d20 system like 5e, what they did with it during Next Packet 6 is the best example of it they've been able to put out. (And this should illustrate to others that Im not just picking fights over my darlings. I can and do recognize good design even if I fully disagree with it. Thats why I can say Pathfinder is good game even though I fully detest it)If you're seeing yourself that far away from me, you're probably not on all that solid of a footing yourself.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Emberashh, post: 9086695, member: 7040941"] 4e was a success for its time. Its reputation is a lot of hindsight that gets conflated with the fact that it spawned Pathfinder and arguably OSR too. And 4e, meanwhile, actually just proves the point. Ive maintained for a while that 5e is just basically a lobotomized 4e, and that is why people keep reinventing 4e when they try to fix 5es problems. If they iterated on it, both it and what could have been 5e would be in a better state than either one is as what are basically giant one offs fully reflective of how they design. I don't actually like templates. But I do recognize that if you're going to go that route in a d20 system like 5e, what they did with it during Next Packet 6 is the best example of it they've been able to put out. (And this should illustrate to others that Im not just picking fights over my darlings. I can and do recognize good design even if I fully disagree with it. Thats why I can say Pathfinder is good game even though I fully detest it) If you're seeing yourself [I]that[/I] far away from me, you're probably not on all that solid of a footing yourself. [/QUOTE]

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