George Martin?
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jdavis
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There are several old threads on "a song of Fire and Ice" but most contain spoiler information. If you are looking for discussions of characters then this tread was pretty good:
http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38615
http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38615
DanMcS said:
Having not seen the Outer Limits story in question, I can't say - but my bet is that it is indeed.
Google says it is: http://movies.go.com/filmography/Credits?movie_id=37802
However, looks like they couldn't leave well enough alone, and changed the story. Bleah.
JoeBlank
Explorer
You have to be wary of spoilers everywhere! Be warned. The author's own website has an update on the status of the 4th book, and plugs the recent excerpt in Dragon magazine. The plug includes a spoiler for the end of 3d book, A Storm of Swords!
I am in the middle of the 3d book, and looked at the author's site because I had heard that he plugged the Dragon excerpt. I was hoping that he would state whether the excerpt contained spoilers, but I guess he answered that question.
For what it is worth, I sent an email to the author over a month ago about the spoiler, and nothing has been done about it. Hopefully that is just because he is hard at work writing and is not spending time reading emails from crazed fans.
I am in the middle of the 3d book, and looked at the author's site because I had heard that he plugged the Dragon excerpt. I was hoping that he would state whether the excerpt contained spoilers, but I guess he answered that question.
For what it is worth, I sent an email to the author over a month ago about the spoiler, and nothing has been done about it. Hopefully that is just because he is hard at work writing and is not spending time reading emails from crazed fans.
JoeBlank said:
Incidentally, Mr. Martin's 'significant other' is asking his fans to hold off on those e-mails until after he finishes the next book. You can find her comments here: http://pub26.ezboard.com/fasoiaffrm1.showMessage?topicID=412.topic
Dr. Strangemonkey
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I think they're very good books. Opinion about them is odd, however. There are a lot of people who don't like them and I have a limited ability to predict or see a trend as to who fits in that category.
Nonetheless, I recommend them to everyone and most of my friends who have read them loved them.
They do diverge in some very fundamental ways from the majority of the established genres for fantasy, and I have known some people who have been pretty offended by that. Particularly the, to some, surprisingly high levels of sex, violence, and classical issues (bastards, incest, madness, scary magic, loyalty, harsh justice, all those things the Greeks put in plays). Overall they are very popular so I don't guess this is a general projection.
I think that the most fundamental shift in these books from standard conventions is that they seem much more rooted in theatrical traditions of narrative than nearly all fantasy fiction. If Tolkien was trying to bring Beowulf and the Song of Roland into the novel than George is trying to do the same thing with the Henriad, Macbeth, and medieval anthologies.
Oddly, I and most of my friends believe the first book is the least well written of the series and that the level of writing shoots up dramatically for the second book.
As I said, reaction to these books is surprising.
Nonetheless, I recommend them to everyone and most of my friends who have read them loved them.
They do diverge in some very fundamental ways from the majority of the established genres for fantasy, and I have known some people who have been pretty offended by that. Particularly the, to some, surprisingly high levels of sex, violence, and classical issues (bastards, incest, madness, scary magic, loyalty, harsh justice, all those things the Greeks put in plays). Overall they are very popular so I don't guess this is a general projection.
I think that the most fundamental shift in these books from standard conventions is that they seem much more rooted in theatrical traditions of narrative than nearly all fantasy fiction. If Tolkien was trying to bring Beowulf and the Song of Roland into the novel than George is trying to do the same thing with the Henriad, Macbeth, and medieval anthologies.
Oddly, I and most of my friends believe the first book is the least well written of the series and that the level of writing shoots up dramatically for the second book.
As I said, reaction to these books is surprising.
Nightfall
Sage of the Scarred Lands
I'm one of the recent converts. I read the first one in paper back and actually didn't like it. Read it again and loved it. Read the second one...and hoped the third one would be better. Third one came...and I loved it so much I couldn't wait to get the fourth one. (Finally got rid of the one guy I truly despised in the third one. You all know who I mean.)
Alaric_Prympax
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Nightfall said:
If it's the same one that I'm thinking about... well IMO he got off too lightly.
I wanted him to suffer even more then he did... a lot more.
