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<blockquote data-quote="Berandor" data-source="post: 2296545" data-attributes="member: 225"><p>SPOILERS TO FOLLOW</p><p></p><p>Now, if we're talking about a good discussion, then I would suggest you abstain from using hyperbole as well. You may have felt as if every chapter was full of gratitious sex scenes, but even with generous counting, that is not nearly true.</p><p>Almost all the chapters of the Nightwatch that are not set beyond the wall have no sex in them. I say almost even though I can't remember a specific instant, because maybe there was one.</p><p>Almost all of Arya's chapters have no sex in them, even when you have a very low threshold to calling a situation sexual.</p><p>A lot of Catelyn's chapters don't have sex. Davos, as well. Sansa's early chapters have no reference to it, and later it's more her fear of being raped - she doesn't even sleep with her husband on their wedding night.</p><p></p><p>The fact that you attribute every chapter with sexual scenes is simply a personal feeling that is not substantiated by facts. </p><p></p><p>I grant you that some scenes were very explicit, but every sexual scene I can remember furthered the plot or my understanding of the characters and the world. It is a harsh world, and therefore the sex scenes are equally harsh at times. I realize that such a world and tone is not for everyone. You don't like it, alright. But you go around stating facts and exaggerations and then attack people for not leading a reasonable discussion. </p><p></p><p>If you were interested, we could talk about specific scenes and why I felt they were not gratitious and you felt they were. But since you express no further interest in the books, I don't know whether it would be helpful. The Song of Ice and Fire didn't meet your expectations and preferences, that's fine as is.</p><p></p><p>I do wonder, though, why nobody feels there's too much violence in the books, especially since a lot more people are killed than get laid, and there are some gruesome descirptions there, as well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Berandor, post: 2296545, member: 225"] SPOILERS TO FOLLOW Now, if we're talking about a good discussion, then I would suggest you abstain from using hyperbole as well. You may have felt as if every chapter was full of gratitious sex scenes, but even with generous counting, that is not nearly true. Almost all the chapters of the Nightwatch that are not set beyond the wall have no sex in them. I say almost even though I can't remember a specific instant, because maybe there was one. Almost all of Arya's chapters have no sex in them, even when you have a very low threshold to calling a situation sexual. A lot of Catelyn's chapters don't have sex. Davos, as well. Sansa's early chapters have no reference to it, and later it's more her fear of being raped - she doesn't even sleep with her husband on their wedding night. The fact that you attribute every chapter with sexual scenes is simply a personal feeling that is not substantiated by facts. I grant you that some scenes were very explicit, but every sexual scene I can remember furthered the plot or my understanding of the characters and the world. It is a harsh world, and therefore the sex scenes are equally harsh at times. I realize that such a world and tone is not for everyone. You don't like it, alright. But you go around stating facts and exaggerations and then attack people for not leading a reasonable discussion. If you were interested, we could talk about specific scenes and why I felt they were not gratitious and you felt they were. But since you express no further interest in the books, I don't know whether it would be helpful. The Song of Ice and Fire didn't meet your expectations and preferences, that's fine as is. I do wonder, though, why nobody feels there's too much violence in the books, especially since a lot more people are killed than get laid, and there are some gruesome descirptions there, as well. [/QUOTE]
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