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[drnuncheon]

The duel between Anakin and Dooku, with Palpatine watching, looks somewhat familiar...

J

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

The duel between Anakin and Dooku, with Palpatine watching, looks somewhat familiar...

J

Yes, yes it does. Even the chair. Though I don't think Palpatine was chained down in RotJ.

 

[The Serge]

The more I see these sabre duels, the more I'm convinced that Lucas should have reshot the duels for the original trilogy... Particularly for A New Hope. That mess could really use an overhaul.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

The more I see these sabre duels, the more I'm convinced that Lucas should have reshot the duels for the original trilogy... Particularly for A New Hope. That mess could really use an overhaul.

Well, its two old men fighting, so its not going to be crazy fast like these. As for Empire, Luke barely knew what he was doing and that WAS an awesome fight. Of all the duels in the OT, maybe RotJ should have been faster...but even then, the slower style fit better. Luke was never trained like Anakin/Obi-Wan/etc, and Vader was old and mechanical by then.

On a completely different topic, I really want to get some images of the Grievous fight. Everything else is leaking EXCEPT that...

 

[The Serge]

Well, its two old men fighting, so its not going to be crazy fast like these.

Dooku's old. Yoda was old even during the Clone Wars. Clearly, their age has nothing to do with their ability to duel. Frankly, I think this excuse (which echoes what Lucas himself has said) is just one made to explain why we're not seeing the same kind of fighting as in the past. What it boils down to is that they don't have the time and/or inclination to reshoot the duels.

As for Empire, Luke barely knew what he was doing and that WAS an awesome fight.

It's the only one they could get away with not reshooting... Particularly if one goes with the idea that Vader was toying with Luke the entire time.

Of all the duels in the OT, maybe RotJ should have been faster...but even then, the slower style fit better. Luke was never trained like Anakin/Obi-Wan/etc, and Vader was old and mechanical by then.

Already addressed the whole "old" notion (going to see more old fighters when Darth Sideous gets nasty in this final installment); as for the mechanical thing, if General Grievous is as nasty in the film as he was in the cartoon miniseries, the mechanical thing is just another excuse.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Dooku's old. Yoda was old even during the Clone Wars. Clearly, their age has nothing to do with their ability to duel. Frankly, I think this excuse (which echoes what Lucas himself has said) is just one made to explain why we're not seeing the same kind of fighting as in the past. What it boils down to is that they don't have the time and/or inclination to reshoot the duels.

And its not POSSIBLE to reshoot the duels. Sure, they could do it all digital, but who wants that?! As for the age, Obi-Wan is no Yoda or Dooku. He's one of the greatest lightsaber fighters in the Jedi Order, but after the fall of the Republic he goes into hiding and likely out of practice. He IS old and tired by then. We don't know enough about Yoda to determine how his species works, and Dooku has simply a master swordsman anyhow.

Already addressed the whole "old" notion (going to see more old fighters when Darth Sideous gets nasty in this final installment); as for the mechanical thing, if General Grievous is as nasty in the film as he was in the cartoon miniseries, the mechanical thing is just another excuse.

Grievous is insane, but he's not a Force user. He's also COMPELTELY droid, with his 'alien' mind rewired with the droid body. He is not like Vader who is half and half. Vader got thrown into a freaking lava pit and the only thing keeping his alive is that suit. Grievous was injured in a shuttle crash and then screwed up by the Banking Clan, which made him into a weapon, not unlike Darth Maul.

And if you want a good explanation for Sidious/Yoda/Dooku/any old jumping in and fighting like crazy, think of it this way. The Dark Side has not yet completely ruined them(or hasn't even taken hold in the case of Yoda), causing their bodies to be weak and frail. Also, the Force can be used to assist them in short, but very strong bursts of energy. See Yoda vs. Dooku.

 

[Psychic Warrior]

Dooku's old. Yoda was old even during the Clone Wars. Clearly, their age has nothing to do with their ability to duel. Frankly, I think this excuse (which echoes what Lucas himself has said) is just one made to explain why we're not seeing the same kind of fighting as in the past. What it boils down to is that they don't have the time and/or inclination to reshoot the duels.

Add to the fact that one of principle actors in A New Hope is dead and Mark Hamil hasn't had an acting job since the 80's and well I think there are real reasons beyond 'they don't want to' going on here. maybe when they get that time travel machine working they can do it.

 

[reveal]

Add to the fact that one of principle actors in A New Hope is dead and Mark Hamil hasn't had an acting job since the 80's and well I think there are real reasons beyond 'they don't want to' going on here. maybe when they get that time travel machine working they can do it.

Actually, he has had acting jobs. He's been the voice of the Joker in the new Batman cartoon and was C***knocker in the last Jay and Silent Bob movie. He also directed and starred in Comic Book: The Movie which had a lot of cameos from people like Bruce Campbell, Kevin Smith and others.

http://www.comicbookthemovie.com/

Don't be dissing the Markster!

 

[The Serge]

And its not POSSIBLE to reshoot the duels. Sure, they could do it all digital, but who wants that?! As for the age, Obi-Wan is no Yoda or Dooku. He's one of the greatest lightsaber fighters in the Jedi Order, but after the fall of the Republic he goes into hiding and likely out of practice. He IS old and tired by then. We don't know enough about Yoda to determine how his species works, and Dooku has simply a master swordsman anyhow.

There is nothing here to suggest that Obi-Wan couldn't continue to be a "master duelist" by the time ANH comes around. As for the digital issue, I would want that. Lucas has more money than god, for crying out loud. I'd rather he just say he didn't want to spend the time and money to reshoot the duels than try to come up with a lousy explanation as to why the fights in the original trilogy (particularly IV and VI) are so poor. Even when one looks at how Vader fights in ANH and compares it to his tactics in TESB and RotJ, it's clear that his "technique" has less to do with skill and more to do with the technology of the late 70s and the amount of money Lucas put into hiring a fight choreographer. Just say what it is rather than try to come up with lame internal explanations that make no sense.

Grievous is insane, but he's not a Force user. He's also COMPELTELY droid, with his 'alien' mind rewired with the droid body.

Although I'm not sure what his sanity has to do with this, I'll give you a point with this one.

He is not like Vader who is half and half. Vader got thrown into a freaking lava pit and the only thing keeping his alive is that suit. Grievous was injured in a shuttle crash and then screwed up by the Banking Clan, which made him into a weapon, not unlike Darth Maul.

Don't by the whole "half and half" issue as adversely impacting Vader's fighting ability. It's clear that mechanical parts in the SW universe do not necessarily adversely affect physical abilities. What the addition of mechanical components does in the SW universe do is symbolize a loss of humanity and soul... It's sort of parallels the same loss one suffers by touching the Dark Side of The Force. Vader's fighting prowess, driven by his hate, would have remained constant if not increased if we're making a logical progression based upon the SW universe in the films.

And if you want a good explanation for Sidious/Yoda/Dooku/any old jumping in and fighting like crazy, think of it this way. The Dark Side has not yet completely ruined them(or hasn't even taken hold in the case of Yoda), causing their bodies to be weak and frail. Also, the Force can be used to assist them in short, but very strong bursts of energy. See Yoda vs. Dooku.

I posit that Sideous doesn't duel in RotJ not because he can't, but because he doesn't need to. Why bother with that with Luke, who clearly has no idea what Sideous can do. However, he has to resort to fighting when dealing with some as powerful and as trained in The Force as he is when he meets with Windu (who apparently beats Sideous in a duel until Vader step in) and Yoda.

As for Yoda vs. Dooku, that argument would work for Obi-Wan... which you've already suggested it shouldn't.

At any rate, as I've said before, Lucas would have been better off just saying that he didn't have the technology or money to commit to the same kind of duels in the original trilogy as he does now. The closest we get to anything resembling the fights in the prequels is with TESB (which only requires a few adjustments, primarily when Vader pummels Luke with The Force while dueling). Say what it is rather than come up with lousy, illogical explanations.

 

[The Serge]

Add to the fact that one of principle actors in A New Hope is dead and Mark Hamil hasn't had an acting job since the 80's and well I think there are real reasons beyond 'they don't want to' going on here. maybe when they get that time travel machine working they can do it.

For Obi-Wan, use a mixture of digital and Ewan McGregor to pull it off. For Hamill, they can easily digitize his face for a few adjustments in RotJ. Still, I'd rather they just state the obvious rather than come up with asinine excuses.

The point about the time travel machine was mildly amusing.

Reveal clarified the point about Hamill's acting.