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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shardstone" data-source="post: 8660766" data-attributes="member: 6807784">The like is for the top half of your message.I disagree with screw the party though. You guys I think really underestimate how many things a high level party can have. Psi Knights, barbarians with Tasha's, monks of literally all kinds, horizon walkers, monster slayers, all kinds of paladins, racial features for flight, feats. At 20th level, one PC is super strong. 4 is ultra strong. You just have so many tools to use. Vecna makes it so spells are difficult. You counter that with cover (artificer, many other features), or by having a martial who is fast or enhanced close the distance and ready their action to attack when you cast the spell. Then Vecna has to choose which he does, and as he isn't immune to the blinded, one of the easiest conditions in the game to put on him, you can force him to burn up his legendary resistance or else not be able to counterspell anything.This is before we get into Magic Items. A 20th level party ought to have 3 attuned to magic items a piece, minimum. Many of those can change the battle significantly. Even an Eversmoking Bottle, an UNCOMMON magic item, can change the game by providing cover and so forth. Slap a high level haste down as a bard and let your team get to work as you pop out, throw out bardic inspiration, and try and set up clever combos between each other.It won't be easy, but it isn't like the party is running after vecna back and forth. They shouldn't be doing that. There's just too many tools for me to believe that is how that fight plays out.</blockquote>

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