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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 8660780" data-attributes="member: 5889">One other note is that with Animate Dead at-will (of which each casting can maintain control of 4 creatures), Vecna can effectively have as many skeleton minions as you need him to have, within some reason (40 skeletons would take 10 minutes a day to maintain, basically Vecna's personal hygiene regiment <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Plane Shift is of course a big effect here as well. If Vecna's slapped around but isn't quite at 0, he'll just plane shift out of there, and then heal to full within a minute or so. If the party attempts to counterspell he will dread counter them back, so its pretty hard to stop. This is probably the most likely "victory" for a party....truly killing Vecna is unlikely (well....temporarily killing him), but having him plane shift away (and then he can't make it back for at least a day) while you ransack his lair is still a major victory.</blockquote>