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<blockquote data-quote="satori01" data-source="post: 3867030" data-attributes="member: 7859"><p>I did not see the Halloween show, real time is not this shows forte, but I find the show interesting from an intellectual perspective. The overall effect of the show has lead me to a conclusion contrary to it's premise....it has made me a firm believer that there are not ghosts.</p><p></p><p>I appreciate the "scientific" attempts, but the show just gets it wrong quite a bit.</p><p>Realistically if you are doing an experiment, and in effect that is what they are doing, there should be a "blind" in terms of the composition of the haunting. You tell people, yeah we hear footsteps in the attic...guess what people are more likely to hear footsteps in the attic.</p><p></p><p>Why do hauntings only happen at night? Should they not happen at any time. Should it not be just as valid to investigate during the daytime w/ the power shut off as night? Physiologically our eyes are able to make out detail in light, so if hauntings primarily happen at night, is it not more logical to say, we have a psychological phenomenon with a physiological explanation?</p><p></p><p>EVPs are probably the least convincing evidence. Hear any blip of sound, and have someone say any word, and most people will hear the blip say the same word....this fact is well documented in scientific literature. On another related issue, so often the investigators hear something, that the sound crew following does not hear. Sound equipment can be pretty sensitive....time to get better equipment, or those sounds are </p><p>quite quiet.</p><p></p><p>EMP. I wish the show would explore baseline EMP a bit more. Do you see spike of EMP randomly occurring in a field with no electrical apparatus near by? How about in the middle of a major metropolis? Simply put, I certainly don't, I doubt the team understand the terrain of EMP fluctuations. Given that there is some scientific evidence showing the collapse of Bee Hives in industrial societies might be related to energy of cell phones and Wi-Fi disrupting bees, how can one say an EMP spike is at all related to the spiritual...simple fact is they, I, and probably most viewers do not know what an EMP spike at all represents.</p><p></p><p>To praise the show they do a good job of pointing out that high EMP fields can have deleterious effects that often get confused for a haunting. What I find fascinating s that in a recent episode, they mentioned that Poltergeist activity generally manifests itself to young teenaged girls, and occurs in areas with large amounts of Limestone and granite. Gee what do granite and limestone have in common....high EMP signatures. What do large spooky old houses often have in common....made from granite or other matierals with high EMP signatures. So the guys can not put together 1 +1 =2?</p><p></p><p>If you have a phenomenon that occurs under very specific circumstance, with one of those circumstances being matierals present with high EMP fields, and we know that high EMP fields have X effects that oddly match the description of a haunting, what does Occam's Razor tell you?</p><p></p><p>I'm not bashing the show, I watch it quite a bit, and I would like to believe, but there are scientific flaws in their contentions. Moreover you just can not say, they are not faking it. I saw the chair move in the Lighthouse episode a couple years back. Taking their account of events at face value, it is pretty shocking sight to see...but the simple fact is can we take the accounts at face value? It would be pretty easy to fake alot of what we see.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="satori01, post: 3867030, member: 7859"] I did not see the Halloween show, real time is not this shows forte, but I find the show interesting from an intellectual perspective. The overall effect of the show has lead me to a conclusion contrary to it's premise....it has made me a firm believer that there are not ghosts. I appreciate the "scientific" attempts, but the show just gets it wrong quite a bit. Realistically if you are doing an experiment, and in effect that is what they are doing, there should be a "blind" in terms of the composition of the haunting. You tell people, yeah we hear footsteps in the attic...guess what people are more likely to hear footsteps in the attic. Why do hauntings only happen at night? Should they not happen at any time. Should it not be just as valid to investigate during the daytime w/ the power shut off as night? Physiologically our eyes are able to make out detail in light, so if hauntings primarily happen at night, is it not more logical to say, we have a psychological phenomenon with a physiological explanation? EVPs are probably the least convincing evidence. Hear any blip of sound, and have someone say any word, and most people will hear the blip say the same word....this fact is well documented in scientific literature. On another related issue, so often the investigators hear something, that the sound crew following does not hear. Sound equipment can be pretty sensitive....time to get better equipment, or those sounds are quite quiet. EMP. I wish the show would explore baseline EMP a bit more. Do you see spike of EMP randomly occurring in a field with no electrical apparatus near by? How about in the middle of a major metropolis? Simply put, I certainly don't, I doubt the team understand the terrain of EMP fluctuations. Given that there is some scientific evidence showing the collapse of Bee Hives in industrial societies might be related to energy of cell phones and Wi-Fi disrupting bees, how can one say an EMP spike is at all related to the spiritual...simple fact is they, I, and probably most viewers do not know what an EMP spike at all represents. To praise the show they do a good job of pointing out that high EMP fields can have deleterious effects that often get confused for a haunting. What I find fascinating s that in a recent episode, they mentioned that Poltergeist activity generally manifests itself to young teenaged girls, and occurs in areas with large amounts of Limestone and granite. Gee what do granite and limestone have in common....high EMP signatures. What do large spooky old houses often have in common....made from granite or other matierals with high EMP signatures. So the guys can not put together 1 +1 =2? If you have a phenomenon that occurs under very specific circumstance, with one of those circumstances being matierals present with high EMP fields, and we know that high EMP fields have X effects that oddly match the description of a haunting, what does Occam's Razor tell you? I'm not bashing the show, I watch it quite a bit, and I would like to believe, but there are scientific flaws in their contentions. Moreover you just can not say, they are not faking it. I saw the chair move in the Lighthouse episode a couple years back. Taking their account of events at face value, it is pretty shocking sight to see...but the simple fact is can we take the accounts at face value? It would be pretty easy to fake alot of what we see. [/QUOTE]
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