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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 4032399" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>You're all right, though as RC points out, it wouldn't be hard for them to assert ownership.</p><p></p><p>But as I prefaced my statement with, this isn't about what they actually do with your stuff, it's about what it signifies when you give up control of your postings like this.</p><p></p><p>And as far as WotC is concerned, with this TOU, your stuff is their stuff, too. And when you let them do whatever they want with your stuff, it's not dramatically different from giving them ownership, it just contains the caveat that you still have ownership, too. I went too far into hyperbole to have it grounded in the real consequences of the TOU, but the core of the argument: that you don't get to tell them what they can do with your stuff, remains intact.</p><p></p><p>And being more of an idealist in this regard than a practical thinker, and having no particular NEED to go to Gleemax, it is entirely fair of me to have a problem with this on mere principle. </p><p></p><p>I don't really blame those who agree to the TOU. Practically speaking, everything you say is probably accurate. WotC is not some giant evil vacuum corporation who just wants free fan labor; more than likely, they just want to be able to publish a 'best of the boards' type compliation or something without having to jump through the legal hoops. The intent behind this wording is, I'm sure, entirely fair. </p><p></p><p>The wording, however, isn't, and it really <strong>could be</strong>. Gleemax doesn't need a draconian TOU to do what Wizards wants to do with it. But they went and did it anyway. When that goes away, you might see me at Gleemax. Until it does, there would have to be a MASSIVE motive for me to go over there and give Wizards anything without them negotiating with me the terms of their use of my material.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 4032399, member: 2067"] You're all right, though as RC points out, it wouldn't be hard for them to assert ownership. But as I prefaced my statement with, this isn't about what they actually do with your stuff, it's about what it signifies when you give up control of your postings like this. And as far as WotC is concerned, with this TOU, your stuff is their stuff, too. And when you let them do whatever they want with your stuff, it's not dramatically different from giving them ownership, it just contains the caveat that you still have ownership, too. I went too far into hyperbole to have it grounded in the real consequences of the TOU, but the core of the argument: that you don't get to tell them what they can do with your stuff, remains intact. And being more of an idealist in this regard than a practical thinker, and having no particular NEED to go to Gleemax, it is entirely fair of me to have a problem with this on mere principle. I don't really blame those who agree to the TOU. Practically speaking, everything you say is probably accurate. WotC is not some giant evil vacuum corporation who just wants free fan labor; more than likely, they just want to be able to publish a 'best of the boards' type compliation or something without having to jump through the legal hoops. The intent behind this wording is, I'm sure, entirely fair. The wording, however, isn't, and it really [B]could be[/B]. Gleemax doesn't need a draconian TOU to do what Wizards wants to do with it. But they went and did it anyway. When that goes away, you might see me at Gleemax. Until it does, there would have to be a MASSIVE motive for me to go over there and give Wizards anything without them negotiating with me the terms of their use of my material. [/QUOTE]
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