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<blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 119312" data-attributes="member: 2209">ArtoomisYes, ruling it can't effect the item at all does negate the problem but I also agree with you that that is a house rule loosely based on the prereq spell only. Rings of evasion are made with a jump spell prereq so we know items can do more than their prereq spells. Also, isn't a normally nonmagical item with a spell cast upon it still considered a &quot;nonmagical item&quot; for the shrink item spell? Doesn't &quot;magical item&quot; mean something made with a craft item feat that xp was spent on?IceBearUnder your view isn't there a contradiction in that things on the item (acid, fire, mud, spell effects) are shrunk down with the item but not affected by the stasis? The fact that the fire from a lit torch is reduced and put in stasis as well as the wooden torch seems important. The flames do not continue and go out when it has no more burnable fuel. When the torch is pulled out a day later, the flame has not gone out and acts as if it were in the stasis.JontherevIf only the object is shrunk down, then are the gloves a quick way to clean things because dirt and mud will not shrink with the item? Is this a way to save an item from alchemist's fire? If an item is on fire is that part of the item but if a nystul's magic aura was on it the fact that the item detects as magic is not part of the item?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Voadam, post: 119312, member: 2209"] Artoomis Yes, ruling it can't effect the item at all does negate the problem but I also agree with you that that is a house rule loosely based on the prereq spell only. Rings of evasion are made with a jump spell prereq so we know items can do more than their prereq spells. Also, isn't a normally nonmagical item with a spell cast upon it still considered a "nonmagical item" for the shrink item spell? Doesn't "magical item" mean something made with a craft item feat that xp was spent on? IceBear Under your view isn't there a contradiction in that things on the item (acid, fire, mud, spell effects) are shrunk down with the item but not affected by the stasis? The fact that the fire from a lit torch is reduced and put in stasis as well as the wooden torch seems important. The flames do not continue and go out when it has no more burnable fuel. When the torch is pulled out a day later, the flame has not gone out and acts as if it were in the stasis. Jontherev If only the object is shrunk down, then are the gloves a quick way to clean things because dirt and mud will not shrink with the item? Is this a way to save an item from alchemist's fire? If an item is on fire is that part of the item but if a nystul's magic aura was on it the fact that the item detects as magic is not part of the item? [/QUOTE]

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