GM Authority (Edited For Clarity, Post #148)

[billd91]

no you proved nothing with your claim. "some groups" & an anecdote is not proof of anything. You claimed that the type of behavior displayed by Cersi would be ok in a PC because there might be "some groups" with a gm so oblivious to a problem player's toxic antics that other players in the group were forced to resort to "PvP" to keep a player like that from destroying the campaign they feel forced to continue in for whatever reason instead of finding a different gm who may or may not be in the area & social circles they have access to. We haven't had kender protected by weasel wording & absolute morality for decades due to that exact reason. That's an experiment that was tried during 2e & recognized as a massive failure.

No I summarized this atrocity

Sounds like just a bunch of badwrongfun shaming to me. That type of game may not be your cup of tea, but it might be someone else's and that doesn't mean the GM is oblivious, the behavior is toxic, players are trapped in the campaign or any other horseshit assumption you're trying to peddle here.
Welcome to my ignore list, population you.

 

[Fenris-77]

Well, one person here is indeed using their personal definitions and thoughts about the hobby and calling them universals, but it's not @Maxperson

 

[Lanefan]

When player A & B resort to "PvP" against player C over toxic behavior it's clear that player C is the problem

Situationally dependent, my friend; situationally dependent.

And when player C wins the resulting in-character battle, what then?

@Jd Smith1 "I'm a roleplayer" and "I'm only playing my character" are not the d&d version of what holloywood thinks diplomatic immunity does. What might work as acceptable in a game of paranoia or fiasco is not suitable to a game like d&d.

Sure it is.

I'm a 'let-'em-play' type of referee: as long as it stays in character, anything goes. Eventually, IME it passes once people get bored of it.

 

[Jd Smith1]

No I summarized this atrocity. I may not be an "arbiter" but I can point at how the sort of toxic behavior cersi displayed towards other wound be players if she were a pc that were the sort of thing to drive groups apart & damages the experience of the other players or how kender were excised with extreme prejudice for all of those reasons while you & max can only say that it might be ok for "some groups" & cite anecdotes.

You can't 'point out' what a character from a novel would do as a PC. You're just saying how you would run her if she was your PC.

I agree with you in that a PC with actual depth and personality would be beyond your ability to GM, but that does not preclude others GMs from being able to handle such situations, as several GMs here have advised.

In short, you do not set the standards for any table but your own, and you do not represent the sum of GMing ability in this hobby.

 

[Lanefan]

Some gamers prefer PCs who are not just collections of numbers endlessly grinding 'kill monster, loot room, go to next room, repeat'.

Yeah, sometimes they're collections of numbers endlessly grinding 'kill new party member, loot corpse, recruit next victim, repeat'...

 

[tetrasodium]

Sounds like just a bunch of badwrongfun shaming to me. That type of game may not be your cup of tea, but it might be someone else's and that doesn't mean the GM is oblivious, the behavior is toxic, players are trapped in the campaign or any other horseshit assumption you're trying to peddle here.
Welcome to my ignore list, population you.

Absolutely, cersi is a character from the novels & tv series so we can point at that as the campaign if she were a pc. She repeatedly engages in petty backstabbing of everyone who could be considered a pc in that campaign to the point where the whole thing eventually collapses. If a player's "fun"involves backstabbing the other players and derailing the campaign then it is absolutely badwrongfun

You can't 'point out' what a character from a novel would do as a PC. You're just saying how you would run her if she was your PC.

I agree with you in that a PC with actual depth and personality would be beyond your ability to GM, but that does not preclude others GMs from being able to handle such situations, as several GMs here have advised.

In short, you do not set the standards for any table but your own, and you do not represent the sum of GMing ability in this hobby.

I quote "It has PCs. Anyone who read the books or watched the series can see that. They are the ones that the focus is on. Cersei, Bronn, Tyrion, etc. They just have a very high mortality rate in that setting." The character cersi lannister is written in published novels then scripted & acted in aired tv series past tense. In the context of cersi lannister as a pc in the GoT series I can absolutely point at wat cersi lanister did in that series as examples of toxic player behavior in the series she is being held up as a PC within because all of that is past tense. It's not a matter of what she "would do", it's a matter of what she did do.

 

[Jd Smith1]

Yeah, sometimes they're collections of numbers endlessly grinding 'kill new party member, loot corpse, recruit next victim, repeat'...

Variety comes in endless forms.

 

[Jd Smith1]

I quote "It has PCs. Anyone who read the books or watched the series can see that. They are the ones that the focus is on. Cersei, Bronn, Tyrion, etc. They just have a very high mortality rate in that setting." The character cersi lannister is written in published novels then scripted & acted in aired tv series past tense. In the context of cersi lannister as a pc in the GoT series I can absolutely point at wat cersi lanister did in that series as examples of toxic player behavior in the series she is being held up as a PC within because all of that is past tense.

Nonsense.

 

[prabe]

Nonsense.

Indeed. It has protagonists.

Novels are not TRPG campaigns; TRPG campaigns are not novels.

 

[tetrasodium]

Indeed. It has protagonists.

Novels are not TRPG campaigns; TRPG campaigns are not novels.

which goes back to the original "GoT has no PCs" that @Maxperson was arguing against by holding up cersi among others.