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<blockquote data-quote="damiller" data-source="post: 9516296" data-attributes="member: 10995">*Strictly speaking role playing games are not uncut Improv.&nbsp; in that case then always &quot;saying yes&quot; isn't something you can do unless you build the setting every time you play the game.&nbsp; like every session.&nbsp; if I'm playing Star Wars there are tropes that the players are going to expect go along with Star Wars. so if the premise is that we always say yes as a GM then to be consistent we have to do that every session from the beginning unless the players asked “can we continue this next session?”.regardless for me improv works once you find the game.&nbsp; Then the rules of the game change: it's not a game anymore of &quot;yes and&quot;.&nbsp; For roleplaying games,&nbsp; in general, that's already done by the game mechanics and/or the&nbsp; intellectual property&nbsp; my campaign is trying to emulate. then for the game to work, we (my players and I) have to slip into “no but”, &quot;no and&quot;,&nbsp; &quot;yes but&quot;,&nbsp; as well as &quot;yes and&quot;.&nbsp; the game is already been established it's our job now as players, the GM included, to play that game. games have rules. rules by their definition exclude Behavior.&nbsp; Take Monopoly (please) &quot;do not pass go do not 200&quot;. Not all rules have to exclude behavior, as a teacher we were encouraged to write positive rules:&nbsp; things like &quot;say please&quot;,&nbsp; &quot;ask for help&quot;,&nbsp; or &quot;jump in this area&quot;.&nbsp; but generally rules are exclusive and are about limiting behavior, in general. &nbsp;anyway those are just my thoughts cuz I've been thinking about improv role-playing games and how after you have the yes and, I.E the setting, established you then have to slip into those other phrases in order to play the game otherwise you just endlessly create setting.&nbsp; the only problem with that is you never land on something to solve. *Note:&nbsp; I have not read more than the first or second page before I wanted to comment because&nbsp; the thread title alone just brought something up that I have been thinking about, and I hope it is germane.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="damiller, post: 9516296, member: 10995"] *Strictly speaking role playing games are not uncut Improv. in that case then always "saying yes" isn't something you can do unless you build the setting every time you play the game. like every session. if I'm playing Star Wars there are tropes that the players are going to expect go along with Star Wars. so if the premise is that we always say yes as a GM then to be consistent we have to do that every session from the beginning unless the players asked “can we continue this next session?”. regardless for me improv works once you find the game. Then the rules of the game change: it's not a game anymore of "yes and". For roleplaying games, in general, that's already done by the game mechanics and/or the intellectual property my campaign is trying to emulate. then for the game to work, we (my players and I) have to slip into “no but”, "no and", "yes but", as well as "yes and". the game is already been established it's our job now as players, the GM included, to play that game. games have rules. rules by their definition exclude Behavior. Take Monopoly (please) "do not pass go do not 200". Not all rules have to exclude behavior, as a teacher we were encouraged to write positive rules: things like "say please", "ask for help", or "jump in this area". but generally rules are exclusive and are about limiting behavior, in general. anyway those are just my thoughts cuz I've been thinking about improv role-playing games and how after you have the yes and, I.E the setting, established you then have to slip into those other phrases in order to play the game otherwise you just endlessly create setting. the only problem with that is you never land on something to solve. *Note: I have not read more than the first or second page before I wanted to comment because the thread title alone just brought something up that I have been thinking about, and I hope it is germane. [/QUOTE]

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