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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LepcisMagna" data-source="post: 9524086" data-attributes="member: 6750753">So, we're taking both versions of the hypothetical here: players can suggest anything they want by asking ("is there a musket under that tarp?") and any situation which would ordinarily call for a dice roll just succeeds instead ("I hit the troll" or "I jump the gap").  In that situation, there is no mechanism in place to resolve disagreements between players, and the GM is really just playing another character (i.e. all the NPCs in the world), but with less authorial control ("can that NPC actually be my long-lost uncle?").  Once again, I see that as in no way distinct from simply a collaborative story - and there's nothing wrong with that, it's just closer to improv than a game.  I do think either version of the hypothetical by itself also leads to this same conclusion, but with more steps.I presume that when you're talking about actions which succeed but are not correct to you mean something along the lines of: "I shoot the troll."  "It regenerates."  "I shoot the troll with a fire arrow."  "It dies."I would imagine such situations would often prove either simplistic (as in this example), but could just as easily become a maddening exercise of trying to guess what the GM wants you to do to proceed (I'm reminded of the secret doors of Tomb of Horrors, though how the GM would tell you that you failed in such a situation also seems contradictory to the premise).If you're instead referring to social interactions (e.g. asking the king for his finest steeds or deducing a mystery), we're once again at the point of not needing rules any more (either we're ignoring the ones from the book or we're building a collaborative story which doesn't require them beyond a social contract).Let's say I'm a player in your group who enjoys rules and would like to ensure we are following them while playing the game, because that is fun for me.  What would be a couple examples of rules beyond action resolution (which aren't included in your original proposal of allowing the players to be/do/have anything) I might bring up?Right, and it's a question of how disagreements in how the story should proceed that's at issue - disagreements being a light word here, since traditionally it's often just the GM saying "roll to find out," though of course disagreements between players are also possible (as are unintentional changes, like the musket example from before).</blockquote>

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