JRRNeiklot
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Yeah, well I heard in the next installment, Johnny Damon gets encased in carbonite, Curt Schilling loses his hand in a skirmish with A-rod, and Steinbrenner chokes Joe Torre to death without ever touching him.
Go Sox!!
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Cthulhu's Librarian
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BOZ said:yes, but you can't win 'em all, so
Right back at you.
(I'd give you the NY salute, but that'd probably get me banned for a while
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KidCthulhu
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I know that the feeling is we have to win a Series to break the curse. But as a Sox fan for over 30 years, I think that the curse has been broken since last year. The true curse of the Sox is that they would fold the minute the chips were down. They'd start losing and they'd get defeated mentally. They'd win up to the All Star Break, then they'd tank and tank hard.
Last year, even with the Grady Little fiasco, they never gave up. They fought to the end. And this year, the proved once again that these men just don't believe that there is a curse.
The reason the Sox won is they are a team, and belief and comradeship and sill are factors that all the numbers and statistics in the world can't capture.
Last year, even with the Grady Little fiasco, they never gave up. They fought to the end. And this year, the proved once again that these men just don't believe that there is a curse.
The reason the Sox won is they are a team, and belief and comradeship and sill are factors that all the numbers and statistics in the world can't capture.
Truth Seeker
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Vying for the Underdog...
I'm glad, the Soxs got it, the 'curse' has been a burden for too long.
I wish the Mets were in the running...maybe...one day.
EnWorld still kicks...I am
George the boss...needs to get a reality check, once in a while.
Good Series...classic.
That is baseball.
I'm glad, the Soxs got it, the 'curse' has been a burden for too long.
I wish the Mets were in the running...maybe...one day.
EnWorld still kicks...I am
George the boss...needs to get a reality check, once in a while.
Good Series...classic.
That is baseball.
If you're wondering why I expect the NL champ to make short work of the Red Sox (and at the time I wrote it, of the Yankees as well).
The Cards were the best team in baseball this year. The Astros were the best team in the second half. The NLCS wasn't anywhere near as physically and emotionally draining as the ALCS. So you've got the better team, in better shape, as the percieved underdog.
That spells Lakers-Pistons to me. YMMV.
The Cards were the best team in baseball this year. The Astros were the best team in the second half. The NLCS wasn't anywhere near as physically and emotionally draining as the ALCS. So you've got the better team, in better shape, as the percieved underdog.
That spells Lakers-Pistons to me. YMMV.
Guilt Puppy
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Well, I think everyone's said everything there is to be said about this (amazing) series. But looking forward at the World Series (wow, I can't believe I'm saying that about the Red Sox.)
...vs St. Louis: Plenty of history there, '46 and '67... Really, outside of New York, the Cards have to be Boston's biggest haunt. The NL's equivalent to the Yankees. Definitely a big part of the curse -- of course, what more appropriate way to lift the curse would there be than going through the Yanks, then Cards?
...vs Houston: Bucky. Buckner. Boone. Can you understand why I'm a little worried about the Killer B's? Not to mention Clemens will be involved -- the second most important pitcher that Boston ever lost to the Yankees.
It's a tough call, but I'd rather see the Cardinals. While they both have all the makings for "just another chapter in the curse," at least with the Cardinals, there's the "defeating old ghosts" angles as well. And since everything up this point has played out like a melodrama rather than a sport, it seems only natural to evaluate the Red Sox' chances in those terms.
But hey... Whether it's agonizing or exuberant, at least there's no conceivable way this series could be boring. Can't wait for Saturday.
...vs St. Louis: Plenty of history there, '46 and '67... Really, outside of New York, the Cards have to be Boston's biggest haunt. The NL's equivalent to the Yankees. Definitely a big part of the curse -- of course, what more appropriate way to lift the curse would there be than going through the Yanks, then Cards?
...vs Houston: Bucky. Buckner. Boone. Can you understand why I'm a little worried about the Killer B's? Not to mention Clemens will be involved -- the second most important pitcher that Boston ever lost to the Yankees.
It's a tough call, but I'd rather see the Cardinals. While they both have all the makings for "just another chapter in the curse," at least with the Cardinals, there's the "defeating old ghosts" angles as well. And since everything up this point has played out like a melodrama rather than a sport, it seems only natural to evaluate the Red Sox' chances in those terms.
But hey... Whether it's agonizing or exuberant, at least there's no conceivable way this series could be boring. Can't wait for Saturday.
LeifVignirsson
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Actually, if you want to be technical about it, the "Curse of the Babe" is over. Beating the Yankees in this fashion and making it sting makes it so they are over the hump on the "Babe" curse.
HOWEVER, as with most curses, there is a transference over to something else that has an effect on them. This would be the World Series win. Of course, with a win like this, I can see them getting over the hump too.
I have been a baseball fan all of my life (Twins fan myself) and I must say that I am not sure what to do with myself now that the Yankees lost to the Red Sox. I am glad for Boston, but the Curse was as much a part of my life as... say... oxygen... or beer.
Eh, at least I still have Chicago and the GOAT! BRING ON THE GOAT!
HOWEVER, as with most curses, there is a transference over to something else that has an effect on them. This would be the World Series win. Of course, with a win like this, I can see them getting over the hump too.
I have been a baseball fan all of my life (Twins fan myself) and I must say that I am not sure what to do with myself now that the Yankees lost to the Red Sox. I am glad for Boston, but the Curse was as much a part of my life as... say... oxygen... or beer.
Eh, at least I still have Chicago and the GOAT! BRING ON THE GOAT!
Guilt Puppy
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LeifVignirsson said:
Not really. The "curse" isn't about defeating the Yankees -- they've one their division, and thus defeated the Yankees on more than one occasion. Nor was it about defeating the Yankees in a post-season series -- that wasn't even a possibility until three-division play, so it wouldn't be a very meaningful curse. (Not that it is one, anyway... but even when it was invented in 1990, a Sox/Yankees post-season series was outside the realm of possibility.)
The curse is about winning a World Series. It's about heartbreak at the last possible second. Last year might not even be worthy of curse lore, being that they never even made it to the World Series -- were it not the Yankees that kept them out.
This isn't to say that the Yankees aren't part of the Curse. They are -- and beating them in a best of seven series (after being down 0-3, wow) is definitely a huge stride against it. But if the Red Sox don't win this year, that "World Series Victories Post-1918" line still reads: "Yankees 26, Red Sox 0."
There won't be an asterisk saying "but the Red Sox did beat the Yankees after being down 0-3." There is no room for asterisks in the curse. If the Red Sox lose, 2004 will be remembered as the year that they came back to beat the Yankees, and still couldn't win the World Series.
Curse ain't over. Yet.
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