Golem and Dispel magic

[Venport]

Wow

Well i sent this thread to the player who caused this mess by casting Dispel magic at My Iron Golem and me not knowing what to do... at that point in time i let it be stuned for 1d4 rnds because everyone at the table was telling me that it sould kill the golem and i said it should do nothing to i took the middle ground I desited that i would ask here.

The player who did all this saw how big the thread had become and was impressed... Thank you all you had done the research that i could not (had other DM and work duties to perform)

My final desition that will go for the rest of the campain is that it will not affect Golems
my mail reason is the Spell description says object targeted and it has been established that a golem is not an object....


thanks everyone

 

[the Jester]

The implications of this thread re: intelligent magic items are fascinating.

It would seem that you cannot suppress an intelligent sword with dispel magic, no?

 

[Venport]

Sure you can it's a object not a creature...

This is what i have gotten out of all of this... Dispel maigc can elimnate spells that are on a Creature or supress for a limited amount of time a Magic object

Golem=creature

inteligent weapon= Magic object


or at least this is how my game is going to work

 

[the Jester]

Sure you can it's a object not a creature...

This is what i have gotten out of all of this... Dispel maigc can elimnate spells that are on a Creature or supress for a limited amount of time a Magic object

Golem=creature

inteligent weapon= Magic object

Ahh, except:

Likewise, an intelligent +2 longsword is a magic item, but it is also a creature: "Intelligent items can actually be considered creatures because they have Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma scores. Treat them as constructs."

(I believe that his quote is from the dmg.)

Thus, the best way to avoid having pesky enemy spellcasters suppress your super-studly magic item is to somehow give it intelligence, wisdom and charisma.

 

[Venport]

Interesting.... I will ahve to lookat that a little closer...

 

[Hypersmurf]

This, of course, is at odds with the golem, so either a golem is not a magic item or it is an exception to this rule. Either way, your example is invalid and my previous statement stands.

What if my magic harmonica is an exception too?

Not that it matters, as it's since been established that a magic item that is not an object can't be suppressed by Dispel Magic anyway

-Hyp.

 

[Infiniti2000]

What if my magic harmonica is an exception too?

Touché!

 

[Coredump]

it's since been established that.... a magic item that is not an object can't be suppressed by Dispel Magic anyway

.

Yep, as long as your item isn't an object, you are fine...but boy, let that item become an object for just a minute... and Blammo your object item is suppressed. (It is all so clear now....)

(rules are fun...)

 

[Ketjak]

Yep, as long as your item isn't an object, you are fine...but boy, let that item become an object for just a minute... and Blammo your object item is suppressed. (It is all so clear now....)

(rules are fun...)

Not to hijack the thread, but how does one create an intelligent item? Seems like one wants to make one's main (qualified) items intelligent to avoid suppression.

 

[Pielorinho]

Not to hijack the thread, but how does one create an intelligent item? Seems like one wants to make one's main (qualified) items intelligent to avoid suppression.

An alternate interpretation (based on the idea that the rules are written a bit clumsily here) is that dispel magic would suppress those effects that are not due to intelligence, while leaving the intelligence-based effects intact. A +2 shocking burst intelligent greatsword that can detect evil could still detect evil when hit by a dispel magic, but would not have the +2 or shocking burst for 1d4 rounds.

Since all of a golem's effects depend on its having an animating force, none of its effects would be suppressed.

Daniel