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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Willie the Duck" data-source="post: 9044157" data-attributes="member: 6799660">Again, so many insightful and helpful responses! Again, no comment means I have nothing specific to add, not that I have ignored or do not appreciate the suggestion (and will look into all of them). There's a 'Ducks vs. Geese' joke* in there to be made, but I'll let someone else follow that trail of bread crumbs. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> *particularly as a Minnesotan, where we have the old "it's 'duck-duck-grey-duck,' not 'duck-duck-goose'"-thing going on.Looking at this, I think I might have a player revolt. I think this group would want a little more character creation and structured how-tos. I'm trying to get them into the pool of outside-the-box gaming, not into the deep end without floaties. I have nothing against FitD or PbtA. I simply fear that BitD in particular might have more faction and resource tracking* and downtime prep than I have the time and energy to pursue at the moment. I actually think I ought to include a FitD/PbtA game in the mix, as they are one of the main avenues of 'narrative-esque' games out there.*reasonable for a heist game where funds, reputation, and who likes you/owes you favors  vs. dislikes/has a grievance are dominant main qualities of a group.  FATE is another of those main avenues. I'm worried about Fate, though. Both the 4d3* mechanic and the notion of players having the ability to shape the events are again kinda thrown in the deep end, as it were. Certainly one with some solid structure (at least in 'this is who you are, this is what you are likely to make your in-game goals' and so on) would help.*(-,0,+)Is there anything about these games which would make them good or bad for this scenario?I love me some Hero System. The only think I'd say against it in this situation is that, like WEG Star Wars, it just offers an alternative trad TTRPG rather than really push their boundaries.</blockquote>

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