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Blacksad said:
P.S. there is also OpenOffice.org for those who can't afford the WindowsOffice solution. This one has a windows version.
It can import basic WindowsOffice files and the 1.1 release include a nice PDF export feature, which might be all you need.

edit: OpenOffice.org isn't only for those who can't afford WindowsOffice, its quality is on par with Microsoft software. Though familiarity, and formation cost are a huge restraint to change in desktop envronment. I can't comment on the quality of Scribus compared to Adobe software or QuarkXpress
OpenOffice cannot do 1/10th the amount of stuff I use daily in Word 97. It's field capabilities are non-existant compared to Word. Calling it on par with Microsoft Office is only a valid comparison for simple documents and letters. Not full length papers and books.

Neither OpenOffice or Word are layout programs but you can fake it far better with Word than you can with OO.
 

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Fast Learner said:
The rest of your post not withstanding, most apps -- including InDesign, where it's built-in and is from the same company as Acrobat -- seem to mostly treat PDF creation like a printer, generating one page at a time and being totally mindless of that kind of logic.
Well, so much for thinking logically.

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As far as OpenOffice goes...It'll do quite a bit.
I'm not familiar with Word, but I'd be surprised if it would really do all that much more. I found OpenOffice a little counter intuitive at times, but (short of things only a layout program will do) I never ran into anything I expected of it that it wasn't capable of. The only reason I decided to go with PagePlus is they offered me a deal on it that I literally could not refuse. Before that I was well on my way to a 200 page book layout in OpenOfffice, with never a problem once I took the time to get used to it.
I will say it has a fairly steep learning curve when it comes to any of its more advanced functions.

Now the advice I'd give for inexpensive layout software is PagePlus. You can get PP5 for free, and the full PP9 is only $135. And that's for an actual layout program, not a word processor.
 

madelf said:
I'll probably have to make a separate layout using lower res images for exporting a web-ready PDF and one with higher res images for the print-ready PDF. Kind of a pain, but probably worth my $260 for the time being.

Making two different PDFs, one designed for online and home-printout use, and another designed for professional printing, is probably a good idea anyway. For online PDFs, you can use an image dpi of 96 and still get decent on-screen views. For professional printing, where you don't need to be concerned about file size, upgrading your image dpi to 300 or more can make a significant difference in perceived quality of product.
 

madelf said:
I found OpenOffice a little counter intuitive at times, but (short of things only a layout program will do) I never ran into anything I expected of it that it wasn't capable of. The only reason I decided to go with PagePlus is they offered me a deal on it that I literally could not refuse. Before that I was well on my way to a 200 page book layout in OpenOfffice, with never a problem once I took the time to get used to it.
Things I do routinely in Word that, based on message board posts on openoffice.org no one could help with, I guess cannot be easily done in OO:

1) Having chapters in a book, make only tables you designate as labelled tables, have a label such as: Table 3-7: Table Name, where 3 is the chapter number and 7 is the order number of the table in the chapter. Should the table be cut and pasted at the begining of chapter 2, the heading will automatically be labeled Table 2-1: Table Name and all the other tables in chapter 2 will be incremented appropriately. Note this is only designated tables, there could be tables in the chapter that are not numbered (such as the mini-tables inside the Detect Magic spell). Oh, and of course you can create a Table of Tables contents list with ease from these designated tables.

2) Again dealing with chapters, the chapter title appears in the heading of every page in the form "Chapter 3: Stuff". If you drag the content of chapter 3 between two other chapter, all the chapters renumber and the headings update.
2a) The first chapter in the book is an introduction without number labeled "Introduction", the next chapter is number 1 and called "Chapter 1: Name" If I update the "Name" in one place it is updated in all reference. Even in references like "See page 13 of Chapter 1: Name for details".

3) Every even page has the name of the book on the right and page number on the left of the footer. Reversed on the odd numbered pages. This works seemlessly on begining of chapter pages which have additional background graphics that appear on every first page of a chapter but not on any other pages. (The graphic is the same each time.) OO support left and right page styles but you have to set the page's style. If you add a page toward the beginning of the book, how do you relabel all the pages again?

4) Designate multiple indexes and put the results anywhere in the book. Merging multiple indexes if necessary.

5) Create dictionary headings in some chapters but not in other chapters. (Dictionary headings used in long lists of "definitions" where the title of the first definition on the page is placed in upper left of the header and the title of the last definition on the page is placed in the upper right of the header.) I use this technique in Joe's Book of Enchantment to get the spell names of the spell chapter at the top of each page. If I add a new spell to the document right now and it repaginates the spells after it alphabetically, the dictionary headings automatically update. (JBoE also uses dictionary headings in the class, skill, feats and monster chapters.)

Now, granted, a lot of this is pretty esoteric stuff. But I don't have Acrobat, or Page Maker, or Quark, or InDesign, or any other layout program besides Word. I've been using a version of Word since Word 3.0 (DOS) in 1986 so I understand that most people don't know about most of its capabilities. But until OO can do at least the first three things above, it may as well be Notepad for how useful it is to me creating PDFs. YMMV.
 

jmucchiello said:
Things I do routinely in Word that, based on message board posts on openoffice.org no one could help with, I guess cannot be easily done in OO:
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I'm certain some, and fairly sure most, if not all, of the functions you describe are within OpenOffice's capabilities. I didn't use all of them myself, (though I can testify that automatic renumbering works. You can insert whole new chapters if you want to and then generate automatic table of contents and index) but most of what you describe sounds familiar from reading through the help files. I wish I had spent more time with it, so I could address the issues you raise. But I'll have to hope someone more familiar with it can clarify things.

But still the point is that, even if OpenOffice isn't the equal of Word (and I've heard an awful lot of people say it is, and some even claim it's superior) you can't beat the price, and it is a powerful program. And a hell of a far cry from Notepad.

Try having text wrapping around images in Notepad sometime.
;)

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that while it may very well not do everything you, personally, would like it to, it does do a lot. It's obviously not your tool of choice (and possibly with very good reason) but it could absolutely be used to lay out a book.

I wouldn't do it myself when there's a free layout program available mind you... but it could be done.
 

madelf said:
I'm certain some, and fairly sure most, if not all, of the functions you describe are within OpenOffice's capabilities. I didn't use all of them myself, (though I can testify that automatic renumbering works. You can insert whole new chapters if you want to and then generate automatic table of contents and index) but most of what you describe sounds familiar from reading through the help files. I wish I had spent more time with it, so I could address the issues you raise. But I'll have to hope someone more familiar with it can clarify things.
Maybe it can. But no one in openoffice.org's forums could direct me to help files that could help. And I have little enough time to spend reading help files when I already have something I can use. I just worry about the next version of Windows being incompatible with Word 97. Then I have to either upgrade or get layout software. Wish I had time to futz with Linux.
But still the point is that, even if OpenOffice isn't the equal of Word (and I've heard an awful lot of people say it is, and some even claim it's superior)
As I said, for simple letters and business documents, sure. I'm sure it is equal to the task.
Try having text wrapping around images in Notepad sometime.
;)
Absolutely no one appreciates hyperbole any more :)
 
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jmucchiello said:
Maybe it can. But no one in openoffice.org's forums could direct me to help files that could help.
Now that doesn't surprise me in the least. I found the help files to be rather limited help. Most of what I figured out was from just trying things and seeing what happened.
And it is definitely not a terribly user friendly program.

And I have little enough time to spend reading help files when I already have something I can use.
To be honest I'm surprised you bothered at all, having something you were already happy with. You're more dedicated than I am.

I just worry about the next version of Windows being incompatible with Word 97. Then I have to either upgrade or get layout software. Wish I had time to futz with Linux.
I'm with you there. I honestly miss DOS some days (I still use a cad drafting system that was designed for dos, because for 2d stuff it can run rings around autocad in speed) and I'm firmly convinced that Windows hasn't been improved since (maybe) 95.
At least once a week I have to talk myself out of stripping XP off my machine and reinstalling 98 just so I have something that isn't complete junk.

Have you considered having your computer set up to dual boot with the new Windows version and with your older one? It might buy you some time before having to upgrade.

As I said, for simple letters and business documents, sure. I'm sure it is equal to the task.
For simple letters and business documents, the MS Works word processor that came preloaded on my computer is equal to the task. OpenOffice blows that away.

So let's say I'm willing to trust you that OO isn't the equal of Word, if you'll believe me that OO is a program capable of a lot more than letters and reports.
Fair enough?

Absolutely no one appreciates hyperbole any more :)
Sure I do. Hence the ;)
 

madelf said:
So let's say I'm willing to trust you that OO isn't the equal of Word, if you'll believe me that OO is a program capable of a lot more than letters and reports.
Fair enough?
Grudgingly, perhaps. :) I only tried OO out because the number of people who say it equals Word had grown since 1.0. I'm sure version 2.1 or so will actually equal or exceed Word in my view. And as long as I check out each version as it comes out, I won't miss that day. I trust open source developers not to give up on that goal.
 

Well, my day is going about par for the course.

I downloaded Adobe Acrobat on the 30 day trial plan to see if it would work better than what I have now. Sure enough, with the settings set for smallest file size, it cranked out a PDF that's only 4.41meg instead of 27.
My initial reaction was joy and celebration...until I discovered that it got it that small by stripping out all my heading and title fonts.
:(
I'll be pounding my head on the table now.

Thump

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Finally...some progress.

Pretty darn impressive too. At least in some ways.

Although it is apparently impossible to get anything but garbage by using Adobe Acrobat as printer driver to create PDFs directly from PagePlus, I tried a different route.
I output a PP PDF (27meg) and opened it in AA (all fonts where they belong and everything perfect that way) then optimized it. Now the PDF is 2.4meg. Yeehah!
I tried it with the print quality version and went from 124meg to 28meg. Very impressive.

But I have to admit I'm really pissed at the idea that I'm going to have to lay out $450 that I really can't afford in order to get a single function in a program that isn't worth a plugged nickle to me in any other way.

Does anyone know if there are any other inexpensive programs out there that will do the sort of optimizing that Acrobat is capable of?
 

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