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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sir Brennen" data-source="post: 6355107" data-attributes="member: 553">Wait, there were 4E third party products? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />While I'm all for 3rd party support of the new edition, I'm not going to be buying either Goodman's or Necromancer's early offerings, for the simple fact that they are so early. Much of the first 3E material that went out was sub-par for the simple fact that companies hadn't really gotten a handle on the rules yet. This was especially evident in material that actually came out before the core rulebooks or so soon thereafter as to be practically concurrent. Most of the development for those products was done before the rules were really fully understood or even available. Or, in some cases, products had the feel of being created for a completely different system then adapted to 3E at the last minute. Iron Kingdoms was a prime example of a setting I really, really liked, but found the understanding of the 3E rules (or, I suspect, their adaption) by the writers to be horrible.I mean, really, WotC will be presenting their plans for 3rd party after all the books are out. Part of this delay is them still working out the details internally, but it's also been stated as a quality concern, wanting to make sure everyone understands the game before diving in with new products. They're obviously willing to work with 3rd parties, having some key products for the new edition launch produced by another company. Why the need to jump the gun? Because you can?Plus knowing the legal hoops these guys are jumping through to do this via the original OGL is somewhat of a turnoff to me as well. Take that big banner on the Goodman products: "Fifth Edition Fantasy". Ugh. It makes this conversation happen in my head:Publisher: "So, you, uh, going to get buy our Fifth Edition Fantasy books? Know what I mean?"Me: "Fifth Edition of what?"Publisher: "Oh, you know. Wink, wink. Nudge, nudge."Me: "Well, I suppose I do."Publisher: "Right, right. Say no more, say no more. Wink, wink."[Awkward pause]Publisher: "So, you, uh, have you ever played Fifth Edition?" Me: "Yes, I have."Publisher: "What's it like?"I suppose it's a savvy move from a marketing perspective for these companies, since we're all talking about them. But a product that's pretty much the equivalant of being a "First!" post in a comment thread is not enough to get me interested anymore. I'm going to be cutting back on book purchases for this edition, and will be paying close attention to buzz and reviews of 3rd party products. You better demomstrate both quality content and execution for me to hand you my money this time.</blockquote>

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