Goodman is clearly going to the GSL.

[Alzrius]

Well, you just mentioned it in direct response to my assertion that they were likely discontinuing the DCC line to comply with the terms of the GSL or a similar license that prohibits the distribution of a given game line under the GSL and the OGL simultaneously. You specifically said that this scenario is unlikely because Goodman wasn't discontinuing their other d20 products.

The first part of my reply was directed towards that - namely, that what we know about the 4E products from Goodman doesn't seem to support that idea. The second sentence was in reference to jaerdaph's idea - though I can see I should have made that clearer.

My point was that the failure to discontinue other d20 products does not make it any less likely that another, completely unrelated product line, is subject to an agreement that forbids its continued publication under the OGL. If anything, it makes that scenario more likely (or, at least, it makes it more likely that the DCC line is affected by some condition that does not afflict Goodman's other d20 product lines).

And if we weren't seeing actions that seemed to fly in the face of the GSL, I'd agree with you. But the early release date, the lack of "Dungeons & Dragons" on the covers, or listed as the rules set, seems to indicate that this isn't the case. If that's true, and they aren't using the GSL, then there's a different reason for discontinuing the OGL DCC products. I just don't think that it's related to the cost of removing the d20 logo, either.

Hmm. . . you may be right.

Whoops, I meant "GSL" where I said "OGL" there. Fixed in the original post.

I don't believe that I was. I think you're reading italics as anger, when it's merely emphasis.

You don't have to be angry to be snippy.

 

[dmccoy1693]

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PS: Btw, information posted on a retailer only board I am a member of makes me believe that Goodman is NOT publishing under the GSL, though I don't have 100% proof of this yet (in other words, nothing directly from Goodman Games). Not sure why he is selling off his 3e products if he isn't doing the GSL, but perhaps Goodman wants to make it clear which side of the edition wars he is coming out on and not leaving any ambiguity? In any case, interesting times.

 

[catsclaw227]

I'm not sure what to think of this news.

First, is there a link to their announcement? I'd like to hear it from the horse's mouth, particularly in regards to how long we have before the d20 DCC's go away permanently.

I got mine as a press release from goodman games (I am on their mailing list).

Announcing our 4E Lineup for August!

Are you ready for 4E? We are! We've posted the release schedule for our first wave of 4E releases to our upcoming releases page, including the first three 4E DCC modules, and the first release in our new line of Master Dungeons. We've also announced details on PC Pearls, sequel to the wildly popular GM Gems, and the world-neutral setting supplement Points of Light. The 4E modules will premiere at Gen Con -- see you there!

I don't know how they could get past the Oct 1st release without ignoring the GSL. Maybe they have a special deal with WOTC?

They also added this into their press release:

We're Looking For a Few Good Dungeon Masters: Think you've got what it takes to judge our Dungeon Crawl Classics Open Tournament at Gen Con? We're looking for some tough DM's who are familiar with the 4E rules.

 

[Corjay]

Some here make it sound like it's impossible for anyone to want to do the 4e license as if it has leprosy. Just because you won't be doing anything 4e, or you know of companies that won't, doesn't mean there aren't companies that will.

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

Some here make it sound like it's impossible for anyone to want to do the 4e license as if it has leprosy.

Leprosy is a bit strong, but it certainly has cooties.

 

[Puggins]

Huh. I wonder how they're getting around the October 1 start date, then.

If you were WotC, would you be less likely to complain about a company "going rogue" if that company then immediately fell into line after 10/1?

Or, on a similar bent, would you as WotC be less likely to go after a non-GSL company if said company wasn't aiding your direct competition?

Both answers are "yes," and I suspect that Goodman is evacuating DCC 3.5 as a make-nice move, at least in part.

 

[Corjay]

If you were WotC, would you be less likely to complain about a company "going rogue" if that company then immediately fell into line after 10/1?

Or, on a similar bent, would you as WotC be less likely to go after a non-GSL company if said company wasn't aiding your direct competition?

Both answers are "yes," and I suspect that Goodman is evacuating DCC 3.5 as a make-nice move, at least in part.

Or maybe it's just a whole-hearted support of 4e, good business sense, and an agreement with WOTC's move.

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

Or maybe it's just a whole-hearted support of 4e, good business sense, and an agreement with WOTC's move.

No.

"Whole-hearted support" would include not releasing anything until 10/1, under the terms of the GSL.

 

[Scribble]

People seem to feel either it's a special license or Goodman being a rebel...

I wonder if it's something more like this:

Goodman: Hey, we want to sign onto the GSL, but we also want to make products before Gencon.

WoTC: Sorry the liscense forbids this.

Goodman: Dude, we had already planned this stuff before when you said we'd be able to. We were all ready to give you money for it.

WoTC: Waiting for the Oct 1st date helps ensure quality products as people learn the enw rules.

Goodman: Dude... it's us. You know us, we're quality.

WoTC: Sorry man... You know we are, but rules are rules. If we break them for you, we show favoritism. People hate that, and make posts on EN World about how evil we are.

Goodman: Yeah... But hey, what if we sign onto the GSl, and release adventures at Gencon, but not udner the GSL. We won't need what the GSL offers to sell to people at Gencon... Those people all know us, and what we do.

WoTC: Hrmmm... Sneaky. Just don't tell anyone, and we'll act like we have no idea.

Goodman: High five.

WoTC: Show the Wizards some love.

 

[thundershot]

Ahem... yes...

I just preordered all three books on amazon.




Chris