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<blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 9181340" data-attributes="member: 6779310">There's one mechanic that is essential - that the player controls their character's attempted actions. That's fundamental to RPGs - not just tabletop/TotM, tabletop as a minis game or board game in RPG mode, in CRPGs... it's the essential definitional element. You control your character's attempts.That advantages and disadvantages are rampant&nbsp; -- advantages are present in D&amp;D 3E/4E/5E, in the form of Feats -- but what many don't realize is that, since the beginning, D&amp;D has had a set of disadvantages. They just happen to be linked to race/ancestry/species in Pre-WotC D&amp;D/AD&amp;D... specifically the class level limits in both... and in classes in both pre-WotC and WotC flavors, in the form of weapon, armor, and treasure restrictions.&nbsp; And the effects of certain spells. Acquired in play doesn't make blindness any less a mechanically defined disad. (One of the few non-racial disads in AD&amp;D 1&amp;2; Lycanthropy is another.) But late 2nd, they came out with the Player's Option series - and Skills and Powers gave a full up point-build for 2E, and gives a lot of other elements - customization of class, But it does add a full disad and advantage system.Almost all class and level games have some restrictions built into the classes, and many have them also in races. Not all by the same means. Some are purely mechanical - class level limits, unavailable classes, gear limits, aging rates...Some are purely social or social backed up with XP bonuses - WEG Star Wars, for example. Wookies can't speak Basic. R2 units can't speak anything but binary. Gammoreans are always angry.Some are discrete labeled limits - named disadvantages. Most RP games have, at some level, formal restrictions due to restrictions in the rules.&nbsp; Formal systemization is a natural outgrowth of the omnipresence of limitations.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="aramis erak, post: 9181340, member: 6779310"] There's one mechanic that is essential - that the player controls their character's [U]attempted[/U] actions. That's fundamental to RPGs - not just tabletop/TotM, tabletop as a minis game or board game in RPG mode, in CRPGs... it's the essential definitional element. You control your character's attempts. That advantages and disadvantages are rampant -- advantages [U][I]are[/I][/U] present in D&D 3E/4E/5E, in the form of Feats -- but what many don't realize is that, since the beginning, D&D has had a set of disadvantages. They just happen to be linked to race/ancestry/species in Pre-WotC D&D/AD&D... specifically the class level limits in both... and in classes in both pre-WotC and WotC flavors, in the form of weapon, armor, and treasure restrictions. And the effects of certain spells. Acquired in play doesn't make blindness any less a mechanically defined disad. (One of the few non-racial disads in AD&D 1&2; Lycanthropy is another.) But late 2nd, they came out with the Player's Option series - and Skills and Powers gave a full up point-build for 2E, and gives a lot of other elements - customization of class, But it does add a full disad and advantage system. Almost all class and level games have some restrictions built into the classes, and many have them also in races. Not all by the same means. Some are purely mechanical - class level limits, unavailable classes, gear limits, aging rates... Some are purely social or social backed up with XP bonuses - WEG Star Wars, for example. Wookies can't speak Basic. R2 units can't speak anything but binary. Gammoreans are always angry. Some are discrete labeled limits - named disadvantages. Most RP games have, at some level, formal restrictions due to restrictions in the rules. Formal systemization is a natural outgrowth of the omnipresence of limitations. [/QUOTE]

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