Granted Power of Magic Domain...

[Celtavian]

The granted power of the magic domain allow you to "use wands, scrolls and other devices with spell completion or spell trigger activation as a wizard of one-half your cleric level."

Does this mean that when determining whether or not you can use a spell completion or trigger item only the spells on the wizard/sorcerer spell list that a wizard half your level can cast are included? For example, lets say you wanted to use a Wand of Fireball, you would have to be at least a 10th level cleric because only a 5th level or higher wizard can cast Fireball. Basically, as a 10th level cleric with the magic domain you would only consider 3rd or lower level wizard/sorcerer spells to be on your spell list.

I was wondering is this is how everyone else interprets the granted power of the Magic domain?

 

[Hypersmurf]

I was wondering is this is how everyone else interprets the granted power of the Magic domain?

No.

Caster level isn't important for spell trigger. It is important for spell completion.

A Wiz1 can activate a Wand of Globe of Invulnerability just as easily as a Wiz9. But he has potential problems with a scroll of Globe of Invulnerability that the Wiz9 doesn't have.

-Hyp.

 

[Celtavian]

re

Hypersmurf,

I know that. I am wondering if what the designer's intended for a cleric with the magic domain is for them to have access to only partial list of wizard/sorcerer spells. Thus, you only count the spells that a wizard of half their level can cast when determining if they can use wands, staves and scrolls. Otherwise, they can use any staff or wand as a level 1 cleric and any scroll as long as they can make the caster level check.

Do you think that is what they intended? You still have to have to necessary ability score to cast the spell, but that is a pretty potent ability. Now a cleric with the Magic Domain and an 16 or higher intelligence can use a Staff of Power or a Staff of the Magi with no problem. Just seemed kind of strange to me, but if that is how it is, then I will play it that way.

 

[Cyraneth]

I was just about to ask this as well... We have a Cleric4/Necromancer4 of Velsharoon in my party, and he's picked the Magic domain to be able to use magic items that he would normally be prohibited from using because of his specialization (prohibited schools: Enchantment and Illusion). That means he uses a scroll of vampiric touch as a 6th-level wizard and a scroll of charm person as a 2nd-level wizard, or am I wrong somewhere?

- Cyraneth

 

[Hypersmurf]

Otherwise, they can use any staff or wand as a level 1 cleric and any scroll as long as they can make the caster level check.

Do you think that is what they intended?

That's certainly how I read it.

That means he uses a scroll of vampiric touch as a 6th-level wizard and a scroll of charm person as a 2nd-level wizard.

Yup.

-Hyp.

 

[green slime]

No.

Caster level isn't important for spell trigger. It is important for spell completion.

A Wiz1 can activate a Wand of Globe of Invulnerability just as easily as a Wiz9. But he has potential problems with a scroll of Globe of Invulnerability that the Wiz9 doesn't have.

-Hyp.

Hypersmurf is correct.

I just wanted to add that the Epic feats "Master Wand" and "Master Staff" could be used together with this ability.

Therefore a 21st level Cleric with the Magic Domain, Master Staff feat and an arcane staff, can burn slots to power spells from the staff. Personally I'd limit it to the number and type of slots that a 10th level wizard would have available, but that is just me.

Remember that the Cleric is potentially limited by his Intelligence.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Additional note - in 3.5, Caster Level also comes into play with Staffs. A Wiz16 gets better performance out of most Staffs than a Clr(Magic)20.

-Hyp.

 

[Celtavian]

re

That is true. There are limitations. Pretty potent ability with the magic domain.

I remember a discussion on staves in another thread. A staff will still operate at the minimum level needed to cast the spell. It doesn't matter much for a wizard because most likely by the time you get one you're higher than the minimum level. It will be nice for a cleric with the magic domain.

 

[Hypersmurf]

It will be nice for a cleric with the magic domain.

But where a wizard will frequently get better than the minimum performance out of the staff, the cleric often won't.

-Hyp.