Great City Campaign Setting...not 4e...sucks

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

D&D has forked. You ahve to choose your path. Until the GSL, I was solidly looking at 4E. Now, given the nature of the OGL, the only logical choice is the path that can never become defunct. That is the path of the OGL and the SRD.

In the end, it is kind of an unnecessary trade-off I have to make - I have to decide between a game I enjoyed a lot that will be around forever and a game that I still enjoy a lot more that will be kinda defunct at some point.

(Because really, no game system is defunct until I have no one to play it with any more...)

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Oh, and wouldn't it be nice if we would discuss the real product? That's not the original topic, but wouldn't it be end up more interesting and useful?

 

[Wyrmshadows]

great, Im not even going to look at the article, because I only play 4e now. I dont know why they would publish something for a defunct system though.

That's funny.

The only thing that will still be around...well the only thing related to the D&D that exists for the last 8yrs....the only thing that is perpetually and permanantly in the hands of the fans... is the OGL/3.5/and its derivatives. So, in 6-8yrs when 5e comes out and there is no GSL and D&D is nothing more than a MMORPG bearing no resemblance whatsoever even to your much beloved 4e and all those poor shlubs who sold their soul to the GSL lose the right to their IP in regards to going back to a still supported rule set (OGL 3.5) you'll be singing a different tune.

Good for companies who are willing to stand up for the OGL and create good products for it. If I created a setting, which I am, I would never sign onto the GSL.


Wyrmshadows

 

[Xyxox]

Oh, and wouldn't it be nice if we would discuss the real product? That's not the original topic, but wouldn't it be end up more interesting and useful?

From what I've seen so far, could be a cool product. I need mroe information, though.

That's funny.

The only thing that will still be around...well the only thing related to the D&D that exists for the last 8yrs....the only thing that is perpetually and permanantly in the hands of the fans... is the OGL/3.5/and its derivatives. So, in 6-8yrs when 5e comes out and there is no GSL and D&D is nothing more than a MMORPG bearing no resemblance whatsoever even to your much beloved 4e and all those poor shlubs who sold their soul to the GSL lose the right to their IP in regards to going back to a still supported rule set (OGL 3.5) you'll be singing a different tune.

God for companies who are willing to stand up for the OGL and create good products for it. If I created a setting, which I am, I would never sign onto the GSL.


Wyrmshadows

It is pretty obvious what the plans are for the GSL, isn't it. I almost feel sorry for those company's that take the short term boost in lieu of long term viability. The wording of the GSL demonstrates very well that it is planned for future obsolescence.

I wonder how many of the companies signing on have attorneys who are well schooled in both contract and intellectual property law? Whatever the outcome, I have t hand it to the WotC legal team. They are doing their best to try to kill the OGL. Unfortunately for them, the OGL and the SRD can never be killed. Even if they are hardly used at all, when 5E comes and the GSL is killed, the OGL and SRD will still be alive.

 

[Xyxox]

Sorry, dupe post

 

[Tervin]

If I consider what I know about Øone's previous products I am sure it will be a really elegant product. I will probably buy the folio map myself, just to be able to steal sections of it for homemade purposes.

I love the way they work with PDF's. They make it possible to print out player maps and DM maps from the same pages, and they also make it possible to print out basic maps to fine tune yourself, or use all of their details. So far, I have not been in love with the little that I have seen of their material outside of the maps, but this campaign guide still feels like it is worth a serious look.

Myself I love city adventures, both to play and to DM, and if this product is good it could be a perfect base for a rotating DM campaign setup.

 

[BraveSirRobin]

D&D has forked. You ahve to choose your path. Until the GSL, I was solidly looking at 4E. Now, given the nature of the OGL, the only logical choice is the path that can never become defunct. That is the path of the OGL and the SRD.

I would think that the obvious choice would be the one in which you could find a game and is more fun to play.

I have been playing 3x since it first came out. It was fun but I am certainly not married to it. If the world moves to 4e then I will move to 4e with it. Once that ends, I will move onto 5e or not. It isn't like I am subject to the GSL and can't convert back to OGL if I don't like 5e.

 

[Xyxox]

I would think that the obvious choice would be the one in which you could find a game and is more fun to play.

I have been playing 3x since it first came out. It was fun but I am certainly not married to it. If the world moves to 4e then I will move to 4e with it. Once that ends, I will move onto 5e or not. It isn't like I am subject to the GSL and can't convert back to OGL if I don't like 5e.

But you do become married to the GSL in a sense. That sense is in the choices you have. In 3.x, you had a wide myriad of choices for gaming material within the system. Some of it great, some of it absolutely horrid, but still a wide array of choices.

With the GSL, your choices will now become limited. WotC also has the option of completely shelving the GSL with 5E, shutting off all third party choices for both 4E and 5E as those companies that choose to publish under the GSL will ahve to abide by any decisions made by WotC.

So, in three years, if WotC decides that's it, 4E is now dead, that's what will happen.

I tip my hat to companies that continue publishing under the OGL. This keeps the system alive and lets it expand. 3.x can never truly die because of the OGL.

I certainly see no reason to move to 4E from the perspective of my choices. I'd like to put some of the material I develop for my game on the internet. Under the restrictive nature of the GSL and given the fact that D&D is wholly owned by WotC, if I develop 4E material, WotC could well be within their rights to demand it either be published on their web site or force me to take it down. TSR did this in the 90s and I suspect WotC wants to do the same with the future of D&D.

Under the OGL and SRD, I can put whatever I want on the web and there isn't a thing WotC can do about it.

 

[Voadam]

Anyway, I was also asking, because Øone is a very odd name (considering most of you can't write it correctly with your keyboard) and I was looking for some more info about the company or such.

Cheers

http://www.rpgnow.com/index.php?manufacturers_id=61&filters=0_0_0

 

[Wyrmshadows]

I am definately buying this. I can use it for true20 or with the upcoming Pathfinder. I might not use it completely, but if I get inspiration from it I'll be pleased.



Wyrmshadows

 

[Xyxox]

http://www.rpgnow.com/index.php?manufacturers_id=61&filters=0_0_0

WOW, the blueprintsproduct line looks totally cool!