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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Todd Roybark" data-source="post: 8096557" data-attributes="member: 6920677">I have no problem with the Heroic style.  Eventually, Invisibility is easily dealt with in combat, in any edition of D&D.5e, though makes Invisibility, almost trivial to melee attacks right out the gate.  Meanwhile being unseen, cancels the "see target" requirement of many spells.The Melee/Spellcaster nerf effect, didnt feel so stark in prior editions.A Paladin in plate mail trying to hide behind /under a large table is less likely to be discovered if under the  effects of a Pass without Trace spell,  then while Invisible.The PWoT Pally gets a net +5 to a Stealth roll.  +10 for the spell, - 5 for Hvy Armor disadvantageThe Invisible Paladin gets a -5 to a Stealth roll. -5 for Hvy Armor disadvantage.Being Invisibility should contribute more to being Hidden.</blockquote>