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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 8096678" data-attributes="member: 6801845">I think this is one of those topics where some DMs just hate invisibility.&nbsp; I mean, I get it, it can be annoying.Then they point to the PHB chapter 7 on the section on hiding which says:You can't hide from a creature that can see you clearly, and you give away your position if you make noise, such as shouting a warning or knocking over a vase. An invisible creature can always try to hide. Signs of its passage might still be noticed, and it does have to stay quiet.Which, okay.&nbsp; An invisible creature can always try to hide.&nbsp; What it doesn't say contrary what many people seem to say is that they must hide for their position to be unknown.Let's take a look at the definition of invisible:An invisible creature is impossible to see without the aid of magic or a special sense. For the purpose of hiding, the creature is heavily obscured. The creature's location can be detected by any noise it makes or any tracks it leaves.Okay, so you can detect where an invisible if the creature interacts with the environment in such a way that can be detected.&nbsp; I agree.&nbsp; Leaving tracks in the sand?&nbsp; Running through some vegetation moving it aside carelessly?&nbsp; Pushing people aside on a busy street?&nbsp; Sure. But the operative words are &quot;can be&quot; detected; there is no &quot;will always be&quot; detected.The rules are clear.&nbsp; You don't have to run it by the book but an invisible creature cannot be detected by site according to the rules.&nbsp; There is no shimmering distortion.&nbsp; So knowing where someone is that moves away?&nbsp; That's a whole lot of maybe depending on amount of sound made by the creature vs amount of ambient sound that's going to block all chances of hearing it. How I run it depends on the situation but it may be anything from &quot;it succeeds&quot; to &quot;they see your footprints in the mud&quot; to &quot;make a dexterity check to avoid all the obstacles&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 8096678, member: 6801845"] I think this is one of those topics where some DMs just hate invisibility. I mean, I get it, it can be annoying. Then they point to the PHB chapter 7 on the section on hiding which says: [INDENT]You can't hide from a creature that can see you clearly, and you give away your position if you make noise, such as shouting a warning or knocking over a vase. [B]An invisible creature can always try to hide. [/B]Signs of its passage might still be noticed, and it does have to stay quiet.[/INDENT] Which, okay. An invisible creature can always try to hide. What it doesn't say contrary what many people seem to say is that they [I]must [/I]hide for their position to be unknown. Let's take a look at the definition of invisible: [INDENT]An invisible creature is impossible to see without the aid of magic or a special sense. For the purpose of hiding, the creature is heavily obscured. The creature's location can be detected by any noise it makes or any tracks it leaves.[/INDENT] Okay, so you can detect where an invisible if the creature interacts with the environment in such a way that can be detected. I agree. Leaving tracks in the sand? Running through some vegetation moving it aside carelessly? Pushing people aside on a busy street? Sure. But the operative words are "can be" detected; there is no "will always be" detected. The rules are clear. You don't have to run it by the book but an invisible creature cannot be detected by site according to the rules. There is no shimmering distortion. So knowing where someone is that moves away? That's a whole lot of maybe depending on amount of sound made by the creature vs amount of ambient sound that's going to block all chances of hearing it. How I run it depends on the situation but it may be anything from "it succeeds" to "they see your footprints in the mud" to "make a dexterity check to avoid all the obstacles". [/QUOTE]

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