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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 8097370" data-attributes="member: 6801845">I was responding to your post that statedSo either you were asserting a hidden condition or you were using the words "never hidden" to mean "never undetected".  Choose.  The former is a condition that does not exist in 5E.  The latter is not stated anywhere in the rules.  It's up to the DM to decide if there is no chance of knowing the creature's location, if detection of location is automatic, if detection of location is uncertain.  If the location is uncertain then I will normally call for some type of die roll to decide the outcome.In any case, if you can find rules that say that an invisible creature's location is automatically known unless they take the hide action feel free to quote it.</blockquote>