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<blockquote data-quote="Kurotowa" data-source="post: 8097393" data-attributes="member: 27957">Spells do what they say they do. Not what they did in a previous edition, not what you feel they ought to be due to their narrative flavor, just what they say their do. Now, I'll admit that Invisibility is a bit unintuitive because it sends you chasing through several different rules passages. So let's follow the trail.We start with the Invisibility spell on p254, which says it makes you invisible. This is not a vaguely defined term, it's one of the official Conditions from Appendix A. So we go to p291 for that Condition's definition, where it says &quot;An invisible creature is impossible to see without the aid of magic or a special sense. For the purpose of hiding, the creature is heavily obscured. The creature's location can be detected by any noise it makes or any tracks it leaves.&quot; This gives us the spell's actual mechanical framework. The creature's location can still be detected, but for purposes of hiding it counts as heavily obscured. Not that it IS heavily obscured, merely that it counts as such for hiding.Going to p177 for the Hiding sidebar, we are treated to this bit of advice. &quot;You can't hide from a creature that can see you, and if you make noise (such as shouting a warning or knocking over a vase), you give away your position. An invisible creature can't be seen, so it can always try to hide. Signs of its passage might still be noticed, however, and it still has to stay quiet. In combat, most creatures stay alert for signs of danger all around, so if you come out of hiding and approach a creature, it usually sees you.&quot; This again draws a picture for us. Invisible creatures are still detectable if they haven't taken the Hide action and entities in combat are staying alert for all signs of danger. Qualifiers for &quot;most&quot; and &quot;usually&quot; are used, allowing for exceptions, but with the strong implications that such exceptions are supposed to be rare.Does this satisfy your desire for rules quotes?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kurotowa, post: 8097393, member: 27957"] Spells do what they say they do. Not what they did in a previous edition, not what you feel they ought to be due to their narrative flavor, just what they say their do. Now, I'll admit that Invisibility is a bit unintuitive because it sends you chasing through several different rules passages. So let's follow the trail. We start with the Invisibility spell on p254, which says it makes you invisible. This is not a vaguely defined term, it's one of the official Conditions from Appendix A. So we go to p291 for that Condition's definition, where it says "An invisible creature is impossible to see without the aid of magic or a special sense. For the purpose of hiding, the creature is heavily obscured. The creature's location can be detected by any noise it makes or any tracks it leaves." This gives us the spell's actual mechanical framework. The creature's location can still be detected, but for purposes of hiding it counts as heavily obscured. Not that it IS heavily obscured, merely that it counts as such for hiding. Going to p177 for the Hiding sidebar, we are treated to this bit of advice. "You can't hide from a creature that can see you, and if you make noise (such as shouting a warning or knocking over a vase), you give away your position. An invisible creature can't be seen, so it can always try to hide. Signs of its passage might still be noticed, however, and it still has to stay quiet. In combat, most creatures stay alert for signs of danger all around, so if you come out of hiding and approach a creature, it usually sees you." This again draws a picture for us. Invisible creatures are still detectable if they haven't taken the Hide action and entities in combat are staying alert for all signs of danger. Qualifiers for "most" and "usually" are used, allowing for exceptions, but with the strong implications that such exceptions are supposed to be rare. Does this satisfy your desire for rules quotes? [/QUOTE]

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