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<blockquote data-quote="NotAYakk" data-source="post: 8097858" data-attributes="member: 72555">I'm unaware where the rule that &quot;you know what square they are in&quot; is stated in the books (or implied).I'm aware that if a creature is hidden from you, you have to guess a square, get it right, then you attack with disadvantage.But if the creature is not hidden from you, you can simply attack it with disadvantage, as far as I can tell.&nbsp; People seem to impute this means you know what square they are in.(This does not exclude you knowing what square they are in, I'm saying that &quot;know what square they are in&quot; is not covered by the invisibility or explicitly by any of the mechanics in 5e)It could be I'm missing something, and there are rules stating that.This does mean that if the monk invisible, is 100' away and you, and not hidden, you make a ranged attack on her, you can make that attack without knowing what square they are in.&nbsp; This attack is made at disadvantage.&nbsp; If you miss, maybe you shot the wrong spot.&nbsp; If you hit, you hit.(Naturally if they have full cover -- they are actually behind a wall -- the attack is going to miss.)Am I missing something?&nbsp; This seems to both cover common sense and the rules as written.The deal here is to treat the grid as secondary; the theater of the mind is primary, the grid is an information aid.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="NotAYakk, post: 8097858, member: 72555"] I'm unaware where the rule that "you know what square they are in" is stated in the books (or implied). I'm aware that if a creature is hidden from you, you have to guess a square, get it right, then you attack with disadvantage. But if the creature is not hidden from you, you can simply attack it with disadvantage, as far as I can tell. People seem to impute this means you know what square they are in. (This does not [B]exclude[/B] you knowing what square they are in, I'm saying that "know what square they are in" is not covered by the invisibility or explicitly by any of the mechanics in 5e) It could be I'm missing something, and there are rules stating that. This does mean that if the monk invisible, is 100' away and you, and [B]not[/B] hidden, you make a ranged attack on her, you can make that attack [B]without knowing what square they are in[/B]. This attack is made at disadvantage. If you miss, maybe you shot the wrong spot. If you hit, you hit. (Naturally if they have full cover -- they are actually behind a wall -- the attack is going to miss.) Am I missing something? This seems to both cover common sense and the rules as written. The deal here is to treat the grid as secondary; the theater of the mind is primary, the grid is an information aid. [/QUOTE]

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