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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8098033" data-attributes="member: 16814">I'll guarantee you have a default position, though, because the alternative means that you stop and take time, every moment, to determine the totality of the situation and adjudicate detection.&nbsp; Since I'm 100% confident you don't do this, you have a default understanding of the world that the vast majority of the time creatures are just noticed.&nbsp; It's only in the special circumstances that you'd bother to even look at it.&nbsp; This is what a default does.Now, I can get behind our defaults being a different strengths.&nbsp; But, my default is that invisibility alone is insufficient to override the default assumption that you're noticed.&nbsp; Invisibility and something else, sure.&nbsp; Likewise, being behind a rock isn't sufficient -- others still know where you are.&nbsp; Being behind a rock and no one knowing where you are requires some other effort or circumstance, which may be as simple as the rock is 100' away and it's a touch foggy.&nbsp; Regardless, my initial position will be that you are noticed and will only modify if something exists that would alter that.&nbsp; Then I apply my judgement, which probably isn't that different from yours.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8098033, member: 16814"] I'll guarantee you have a default position, though, because the alternative means that you stop and take time, every moment, to determine the totality of the situation and adjudicate detection. Since I'm 100% confident you don't do this, you have a default understanding of the world that the vast majority of the time creatures are just noticed. It's only in the special circumstances that you'd bother to even look at it. This is what a default does. Now, I can get behind our defaults being a different strengths. But, my default is that invisibility alone is insufficient to override the default assumption that you're noticed. Invisibility and something else, sure. Likewise, being behind a rock isn't sufficient -- others still know where you are. Being behind a rock and no one knowing where you are requires some other effort or circumstance, which may be as simple as the rock is 100' away and it's a touch foggy. Regardless, my initial position will be that you are noticed and will only modify if something exists that would alter that. Then I apply my judgement, which probably isn't that different from yours. [/QUOTE]

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