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Message: <blockquote data-quote="NotAYakk" data-source="post: 8098140" data-attributes="member: 72555">Again, you have to be doing it continuously and constantly with no break at full speed and concentration ever since either (a) you became invisible or (b) they last knew where you where.If that isn't the case, they took the hide action and got to roll stealth.  In other words, if they took almost any time at all to consider "can I be easily spotted", they took the hide action and got to roll stealth.First, no, and second, no.The first no is no, they are not effectively blinded.  The person in the middle of that field who is has never considered if they are seen is moving that grass.  Heck, depending on how the invisibility works, it might have a leaf stuck on it that blows off and blinks into and out of existence.  A blind person wouldn't notice the human-shaped person in the grass, nor the leaf appearing and disappearing.Second, they can be detected through ways not involving sight.  They are actively not spending a thought about being hidden, so they could be humming a tune as they (say) work on the lockpicking problem, or swearing at the difficulty of reading the book while invisible.They aren't doing that?  They are putting a tiny amount of effort to not being seen?  Well, that is the hide action.  Pay attention to not being detected even once for a few seconds at any point between going invisible and/or your last spot being known and now, and you are hidden.The "I'm sitting in the middle of the field while actively not hiding and invisible" is a ridiculous case that isn't credible.The cases where you are invisible and not hiding are(a) The enemy could see invisible and lost it. So they knew where you where a moment ago.(b) You just used an ability to go invisible a moment ago, and they saw you before it.(c) You where invisible and stabbed or attacked someone, which let them know where you are.(d) You spoke loudly enough for your location to be determined while invisibleand since that point, you have been actively doing things with all of your concentration that preclude you from trying to get the other person from losing track of you, such as:(1) Moving at an all-out sprint (dash action)(2) Activating magic items, spells, or using tools in an insane rush like a healer's kit or lockpicks. (use an object, cast a spell, etc actions)(3) Dodging the attacks of people who can see invisible creatures (took dodge action)You are doing this every second ever since (a)-(d) has happened.  Otherwise, you took a breather and considered if you can be seen (took the hide action).That is the real, practical case where it is plausible for someone to be not-hidden and invisible.  The toy examples of someone actively not hiding (possibly for hours) and then complaining they aren't hidden are junk.  Plus the action system is something that is explicitly for combat; out of combat, if you have an hour of being invisible while doing something, saying "oh yes, and make a stealth check along side" is totally in scope.---Remember, not-hidden and "I know exactly what square you are in" is not the same; that is a 4e ism.</blockquote>

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