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<blockquote data-quote="NotAYakk" data-source="post: 8098181" data-attributes="member: 72555">So, first:(a) Irrelevant, they have taken the hide action at some point if they have been there for a while.(b) If not, they they are sprinting/casting a spell/tinkering on a robot and not paying attention to being hidden at all.&nbsp; It is implausible that there is no plausible way for them to reveal their location, outside of some contrived example.The person with the bow gets to roll with disadvantage based on the clues the invisible creature may be leaking.&nbsp; If they hit, I narrate something that gave the target away and the attacker shot it.&nbsp; If not, they fire (maybe seeing something that they thought was the target giving itself away, but wasn't) and miss widely.Does this generate a perfect simulation of all realities eveywhere?&nbsp; No, and it doesn't need to.&nbsp; It won't handle &quot;the monk is in a silence spell, naked, shaved, in a featureless black room shrouded in perfect magical darkness&quot; very reasonably.&nbsp; Oh well, I can deal with that when it happens.In combat, you can only hide while you have total concealment, unless you have a special ability (like lightfoot halflings).&nbsp; If you take the hide action while you can be seen and heard, you simply fail.You can maintain your hidden state with less than total concealment, but that isn't about taking the hide action in combat anymore.&nbsp; It is about maintaining the hidden condition, or being spotted while hidden.Yes, and even if not hidden, creatures relying on sight have disadvantage when attacking you.&nbsp; That represents, roughly, &quot;accurately assessing position of things&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="NotAYakk, post: 8098181, member: 72555"] So, first: (a) Irrelevant, they have taken the hide action at some point if they have been there for a while. (b) If not, they they are sprinting/casting a spell/tinkering on a robot and not paying attention to being hidden at all. It is implausible that there is no plausible way for them to reveal their location, outside of some contrived example. The person with the bow gets to roll with disadvantage based on the clues the invisible creature may be leaking. If they hit, I narrate something that gave the target away and the attacker shot it. If not, they fire (maybe seeing something that they thought was the target giving itself away, but wasn't) and miss widely. Does this generate a perfect simulation of all realities eveywhere? No, and it doesn't need to. It won't handle "the monk is in a silence spell, naked, shaved, in a featureless black room shrouded in perfect magical darkness" very reasonably. Oh well, I can deal with that when it happens. In combat, [b]you can only hide while you have total concealment[/b], unless you have a special ability (like lightfoot halflings). If you take the hide action while you can be seen and heard, you simply fail. You can maintain your hidden state with less than total concealment, but that isn't about taking the hide action in combat anymore. It is about maintaining the hidden condition, or being spotted while hidden. Yes, and even if not hidden, creatures relying on sight have disadvantage when attacking you. That represents, roughly, "accurately assessing position of things". [/QUOTE]

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