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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 8099289" data-attributes="member: 6855114"><p>Sigh...</p><p>Dodge will not help. I know that. But it would be his normal response. Be it by moving away, or by putting his shield between him or the perceived direction of the attack. Probably readying an attack if he is attacked.</p><p></p><p></p><p>1) Again, this is not the OP example.</p><p>But...</p><p>F would require to make a perception check not because M is hidden, but because M is unseen and far away. AND M might be behind a crate or a pillar.</p><p>But if you say that by the rule, F knows exactly which square M is, you'd better leave the discussion as this is a rule zero case. The general rule is not adapted to these situations, there are no specific rules so DM's adjudication and logic is required.</p><p></p><p>Ignore the rule for a moment.</p><p>Go outside, ask people what should happen.</p><p>Yep, they'd side with logic against the rules.</p><p></p><p>Here is a case where F (a fighter with no feat whatsoever related to the problem at hand) would be perfectly within reason. M is not a monk, but an arcane trickster.</p><p>F wins the initiative but can't do anything.</p><p>AT attack F and even use his bonus action to try to land a hit (and thus a sneak attack damage) on F. AT misses on both attacks. Dang! But AT still has 15'.</p><p>AT moves 15 feet away from F.</p><p>F knows about which square AT is, moves in, and attack AT at disadvantage but hitting twice. F action surge and hit two more times (the lucky bastard...)</p><p></p><p>In this text book case. The rule applies in all its glory. On his turn, AT better try to take a move and then hide to get away because F will kill AT.</p><p></p><p>Edit: Wow, [USER=6801845]@Oofta[/USER] got you there on the Crawford's podcast saying exactly what we've been saying all along. The creator of the rule is on our side.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 8099289, member: 6855114"] Sigh... Dodge will not help. I know that. But it would be his normal response. Be it by moving away, or by putting his shield between him or the perceived direction of the attack. Probably readying an attack if he is attacked. 1) Again, this is not the OP example. But... F would require to make a perception check not because M is hidden, but because M is unseen and far away. AND M might be behind a crate or a pillar. But if you say that by the rule, F knows exactly which square M is, you'd better leave the discussion as this is a rule zero case. The general rule is not adapted to these situations, there are no specific rules so DM's adjudication and logic is required. Ignore the rule for a moment. Go outside, ask people what should happen. Yep, they'd side with logic against the rules. Here is a case where F (a fighter with no feat whatsoever related to the problem at hand) would be perfectly within reason. M is not a monk, but an arcane trickster. F wins the initiative but can't do anything. AT attack F and even use his bonus action to try to land a hit (and thus a sneak attack damage) on F. AT misses on both attacks. Dang! But AT still has 15'. AT moves 15 feet away from F. F knows about which square AT is, moves in, and attack AT at disadvantage but hitting twice. F action surge and hit two more times (the lucky bastard...) In this text book case. The rule applies in all its glory. On his turn, AT better try to take a move and then hide to get away because F will kill AT. Edit: Wow, [USER=6801845]@Oofta[/USER] got you there on the Crawford's podcast saying exactly what we've been saying all along. The creator of the rule is on our side. [/QUOTE]
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