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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8099418" data-attributes="member: 16814">If no rule states this, then please point to the rule that says I know where a visible creature within a clear line of sight is.  I guarantee you I can make that ambiguous enough to argue it doesn't say you see anything.  There are any number of special circumstances that the GM could use to rule otherwise, therefor it's not a given that you can ever locate a creature, visible or not, in any given situation.I mean, this is what this line of argument comes down to.  There's a clear assumption that you know where other things are unless there's a reason not to, and invisibility takes pains to say it's not a reason in and of itself, but it could make other reasons more compelling.</blockquote>