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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8099477" data-attributes="member: 16814">So, feral sense says you know the location of invisible creatures that are not hidden from you.&nbsp; Yet, your argument is that invisible creatures can become hidden by dint of invisibility alone.&nbsp; This doesn't mean that Feral Senses supports your argument about invisibility making you hidden, because that would mean that Feral Senses is useless (this phrase is actually useless regardless of which direction you go).&nbsp; In other words, Feral Senses doesn't aid your argument at all -- either you're invisible and hidden or you are invisible and not hidden, in which case Feral Senses does nothing either way.&nbsp; Or, this argument is based on an unstated third position, which is identical to being hidden but is not called being hidden so that Feral Senses has something to do.&nbsp; This is utterly unsupported in the rules, anywhere.&nbsp; If I do not know where you are, you are hidden, by definition of hidden.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8099477, member: 16814"] So, feral sense says you know the location of invisible creatures that are not hidden from you. Yet, your argument is that invisible creatures can become hidden by dint of invisibility alone. This doesn't mean that Feral Senses supports your argument about invisibility making you hidden, because that would mean that Feral Senses is useless (this phrase is actually useless regardless of which direction you go). In other words, Feral Senses doesn't aid your argument at all -- either you're invisible and hidden or you are invisible and not hidden, in which case Feral Senses does nothing either way. Or, this argument is based on an unstated third position, which is identical to being hidden but is not called being hidden so that Feral Senses has something to do. This is utterly unsupported in the rules, anywhere. If I do not know where you are, you are hidden, by definition of hidden. [/QUOTE]

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