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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8099524" data-attributes="member: 16814"><p>Functionally, though, this would mean that invisible is hidden.&nbsp; Hidden isn't a condition in 5e, but it means that your location is unknown to others.&nbsp; What you're saying here is that invisible creatures' locations are automatically unknown to other creatures (or usually unknown).&nbsp; Except, this is contraindicated by both the rules for hiding and the rules of invisibility, which both claim that you may always attempt to hide.&nbsp; Why would I need to attempt to make my location unknown (which is all that hiding could do for an invisibly creature as they are already unseen) if it already is unknown?&nbsp; This is a weird place, to me, because it's saying that invisible creatures are hidden in all but name, just because a 14th level Ranger ability exists that has a clause that only makes useful sense if this is true.&nbsp; It would appear (heh) to me that if the rules actually intended invisible creatures to be automatically hidden that they would have taken the time to say that where it's going to be looked up (and not say that they can try to hide at all) and not in a 14th level Ranger ability.&nbsp; Instead, they do have the bits about always being able to attempt hiding in the places you'd normally go to look.&nbsp; Why have the words about hiding, which would make your location unknown, in invisibility if the normal is that your location is already unknown?</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8099524, member: 16814"] Functionally, though, this would mean that invisible is hidden. Hidden isn't a condition in 5e, but it means that your location is unknown to others. What you're saying here is that invisible creatures' locations are automatically unknown to other creatures (or usually unknown). Except, this is contraindicated by both the rules for hiding and the rules of invisibility, which both claim that you may always attempt to hide. Why would I need to attempt to make my location unknown (which is all that hiding could do for an invisibly creature as they are already unseen) if it already is unknown? This is a weird place, to me, because it's saying that invisible creatures are hidden in all but name, just because a 14th level Ranger ability exists that has a clause that only makes useful sense if this is true. It would appear (heh) to me that if the rules actually intended invisible creatures to be automatically hidden that they would have taken the time to say that where it's going to be looked up (and not say that they can try to hide at all) and not in a 14th level Ranger ability. Instead, they do have the bits about always being able to attempt hiding in the places you'd normally go to look. Why have the words about hiding, which would make your location unknown, in invisibility if the normal is that your location is already unknown? [/QUOTE]

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