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Greater Invis and Stealth checks, how do you rule it?
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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 8099895" data-attributes="member: 6788736"><p>It took you that long?</p><p></p><p>He clearly states the intent of the rules is that creatures (as a general rule) know the rough approximate location of nearby invisible creatures that are not also hidden (have yet to take the Hide action). </p><p></p><p>The invisible (but not hidden) creature gains all the benefits of the invisible condition making them immune to being targeted with most spells and special abilities (due to their location not being known well enough) and you get disadvantage to hit them. </p><p></p><p>In order for them to become hidden, the intent of the rules is they must take the Hide action (and succeed on a Stealth check). They can do this (as an Action) at will</p><p></p><p>He notes that there <strong>MAY </strong>be corner cases that exclude the need for a Hide action and Stealth check. An invisible Pixie hovering 200' away from the battle, near a raging waterfall for example. Or (his example) an invisible creature a fair way away from the combat while 'barrels of gunpowder' are going off and his opponents are distracted by a raging Barbarian screaming at them.</p><p></p><p>-----------------------</p><p></p><p>The general rule is that once you are no longer hidden (but are still invisible) you lose the benefits of being hidden (but retain the benefits of being invisible) <u>until you again successfully hide again, via the Hide action,</u></p><p></p><p>Your location is still not known with any level of precision. Nearby creatures (for this round at least) can lob a few shots off in your direction (at disadvantage) or swing a sword wildly in your general area (making a melee attack at disadvantage). They cant target you with most spells or special abilities however, and you can simply re enter Hiding whenever you want, usually as an Action (Bonus action for Rogues and high level Rangers, and Shadow Demons, and Goblins etc).</p><p></p><p>On your very next turn, you can again Hide, via the Hide action. If you succeed, your opponent cant target you with any attacks at all barring a lucky guess.</p><p></p><p>Think of it as you attacking while invisible, your opponent screaming out in pain and then retaliating by shooting or swinging swords in your general direction in response.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 8099895, member: 6788736"] It took you that long? He clearly states the intent of the rules is that creatures (as a general rule) know the rough approximate location of nearby invisible creatures that are not also hidden (have yet to take the Hide action). The invisible (but not hidden) creature gains all the benefits of the invisible condition making them immune to being targeted with most spells and special abilities (due to their location not being known well enough) and you get disadvantage to hit them. In order for them to become hidden, the intent of the rules is they must take the Hide action (and succeed on a Stealth check). They can do this (as an Action) at will He notes that there [B]MAY [/B]be corner cases that exclude the need for a Hide action and Stealth check. An invisible Pixie hovering 200' away from the battle, near a raging waterfall for example. Or (his example) an invisible creature a fair way away from the combat while 'barrels of gunpowder' are going off and his opponents are distracted by a raging Barbarian screaming at them. ----------------------- The general rule is that once you are no longer hidden (but are still invisible) you lose the benefits of being hidden (but retain the benefits of being invisible) [U]until you again successfully hide again, via the Hide action,[/U] Your location is still not known with any level of precision. Nearby creatures (for this round at least) can lob a few shots off in your direction (at disadvantage) or swing a sword wildly in your general area (making a melee attack at disadvantage). They cant target you with most spells or special abilities however, and you can simply re enter Hiding whenever you want, usually as an Action (Bonus action for Rogues and high level Rangers, and Shadow Demons, and Goblins etc). On your very next turn, you can again Hide, via the Hide action. If you succeed, your opponent cant target you with any attacks at all barring a lucky guess. Think of it as you attacking while invisible, your opponent screaming out in pain and then retaliating by shooting or swinging swords in your general direction in response. [/QUOTE]
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